The term "men in dresses"

[AuntMsVanillaRose]

Trans-excluders like to say that they're absolutely fine with boys who don't fit in with gender stereotypes. And I, not one of you, am fine with children not fitting gender stereotypes. But I don't think that is true of all of you. Why is "man in a dress" used as an insult by so many of you?

Op, obviously the GC regulars here will say it's factual, but regardless of whether it is or isn't accurate it's the kind of phrase that upsets those affected more than those unaffected could possibly comprehend

Perhaps the OP shouldn't use it then. This is just garden path stuff. The OP uses an expression that no-one else does and their mate doubles down on it and then blames the women who don't use it.

This. Perhaps people who perpetuate this lie are the cruel ones. I think this is a good subject for discussion. Fully on board with that.

The trouble with perpetuating a lie is that it is out of step with reality. Eventually, there will be a mismatch between reality and the lie and that will mean a further lie is necessary to perpetuate the first lie. This will continue until eventually reality kicks in.........

Isn't this the basis of Farce?

The OP uses an expression that no-one else does and their mate doubles down on it and then blames the women who don't use it.

I think the only people ive heard use this phrase this century are my elderly uncle and men in newspaper comments sections.

I think it is an interesting question (I agree, it is annoying to have wade through the silly breakfast shit to discuss it). I am Scottish so used to men in kilts, but visitors may ask 'is it true men wear skirts in Scotland'? In many cultures men wear sarongs or tunics, so the point is not the garment itself, but the cultural associations. In the west 'skirts' are culturally associated with women, but there is absolutely no practical reason men should not wear them and look good in them.

Some gender non conforming men do wear skirts and dresses and often look great. This is different from men who wear dresses to try to 'pass' as women as they have gender dysphoria. In the latter case, it is cruel, if factually correct, to call them a 'man in a dress'. Kindness in all things is to be encouraged.

This is different from men who wear dresses to try to 'pass' as women as they have gender dysphoria. In the latter case, it is cruel, if factually correct, to call them a 'man in a dress'. Kindness in all things is to be encouraged.

Which is why gender critical women are not in the habit of walking up to transwomen and saying you're just a man in a dress.

They are, however, concerned with the issue that a man wearing a dress makes him a woman.

The dress does not maketh the woman

Kindness in all things is to be encouraged.

Like kindness to women? See my earlier comment. Maybe it's kinder not to lie.

Kindness seems to be a bit one way here. Surprisingly not

Ahh the ‘80s. So many beautiful men in dresses and make up.

What about me?

Kurt Cobain was the man in a dress for me. Showing my age now.

I wonder if all the ‘be kinder, mean women’ posters also spend time on say, DataLounge, or Reddit, or Pistonheads telling men to be kinder to trans-identified males. Or, indeed, if they try telling the trans-identified males who spend their time telling women to die in fires, get raped, get stabbed, to try and be kinder.

I wonder.

I'm trying, but don't get the breakfast discussion. Haven't been around much lately. What's going on?

Kurt Cobain was the man in a dress for me. Showing my age now.

Big George, before he came out as a twat.

I didn't realise that dresses had such magical powers, that the merest donning of one could achieve complete transmutation of the entire genome of a male body from XY to XX and the atrophication of male organs.

Wow! Mind blown. As a corollary, I wonder what effects are afforded women who don trousers 🤔