The term "men in dresses"

[AuntMsVanillaRose]

Trans-excluders like to say that they're absolutely fine with boys who don't fit in with gender stereotypes. And I, not one of you, am fine with children not fitting gender stereotypes. But I don't think that is true of all of you. Why is "man in a dress" used as an insult by so many of you?

Men in dresses isn't an insult, it's a description.

It's only a description if the man is wearing a dress. If he's wearing trousers or a skirt with a top, then it obviously isn't.

It's not a term I've used myself but I assume it's used to distinguish men who like to wear women's clothing (cross-dressers etc) from men with gender dysphoria. Don't know if it's used as an insult or more rather an expression of exasperation about the lack of public acknowledgement of the different categories of men-in-women's-clothing.

Off to have my breakfast now - won't bore you with the details.

Op, obviously the GC regulars here will say it's factual, but regardless of whether it is or isn't accurate it's the kind of phrase that upsets those affected more than those unaffected could possibly comprehend

Perhaps if men in dresses hadn't been lied to, their expectations of everyone having to continue to lie to them wouldn't be quite so devastating.

Besides, if men just stopped you know, killing and raping women, there wouldn't be such a backlash. Men have to look to themselves as to why men in dresses are viewed with suspicion.

Can anyone who wants to post about their inane fucking breakfast choices kindly piss off and start their own thread entitled, "my boring-ass breakfast choices for people who give a shit", and stop spamming the fuck out of OP's thread?

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Hangry.

No one should have to live like that, it’s untenable.

This. Since I came to terms with the fact that I'm short and fat, god it's a relief! it's not like I could hide it anyway, so just accepting myself as I am is much more healthy. - like the end of Labyrinth - those words have no power over me anymore

And yes, actually, I do comprehend that the truth can often hurt. But the way to deal with it is to come to terms with it, not stick fingers in ears and lalala or bully other people into not telling you the truth.

JiltedJohnsJulie and Ereshkigal 🤣

it's the kind of phrase that upsets those affected more than those unaffected could possibly comprehend.

Much like TWAW impacts women.

Perhaps if men in dresses hadn't been lied to, their expectations of everyone having to continue to lie to them wouldn't be quite so devastating.

This. Perhaps people who perpetuate this lie are the cruel ones. I think this is a good subject for discussion. Fully on board with that.

Is the OP coming back?

I feel I should point out that we are not draft excluders at all, since we include transmen.

And the assertion that 'so many' on here insult people by saying men in dresses is wrong. It's not an expression that is often used here.

You’re all weird liking 🥑 It makes me rethink if you are right about other things and if I should’ve been listening to you all these years

FanWithoutAGuard Are you sure you’re not a size 10, pretending to be fat? eyes FanWithoutAGuard suspiciously trying to work out her dress size 😒

Ever had avocado ice cream?

Ever had avocado ice cream?

I'm wearing a dress today. the description "woman in a dress" would therefore be correct. If I was man the description "man in a dress" would be correct. Neither is an insult.

I doubt anybody here has a problem with men wearing dresses, kilts, tutus etc, I certainly don't, or womem wearing trousers or shorts. Men wearing dresses and saying that makes them the same as, if not better than women is what GC people have an issue with i.e TRAs. Men in dresses is a factual description not an insult.

What are you reporting people for? Literal breakfast violence? I don't see how talking about what you're having for breakfast breaks any guidelines. Im about to have toast and a hot chocolate!

I'm a woman in trousers. Men's trousers too, since they have pockets and I don't have much of a waist.

I regard "I identify as..." as a bourgeois means of appropriating oppression from actually oppressed groups.

There! A Rat friendly post. No need for all that hangriness.

Oh, sod that. WEETABIX!

A man wearing a dress is nowhere near noteworthy. Until the man claims that wearing a dress somehow makes him a woman. Which is sexism, in old money.

'Men' for male people is also perfectly acceptable. Dresses or not.

Men should be able to wear dresses if they do choose. There’s lots of men wearing make up, and doing tutorials on YouTube. Men dancing in high heels. Bloody good for them. Love seeing stereotypes challenged. Need to see more of it.

Still men in dresses/make up/high heels. Not appropriating womanhood and claiming to be a woman.

My Ds used to love wearing dresses. That’s all it was: wearing a dress.

Stop turning it into a drama and get on with it.