BISH - "proudly supported by....."

[Candidpeel]

As @R0wantree linked to on the thread on crossing out 'gender' for 'sex' on school forms, but this deserves its own thread.

Take a look at 'BISH' website for teens.

www.bishuk.com/about-you/whats-your-gender/

Has a helpful diagram. People called 'he' and who look masculine tend to be tough, active and independent. People called 'she' and who look feminine tend to be soft, emotional and passive.

He goes into schools and youth clubs and gives training to teachers on sex and relationship education with this shit! bishtraining.com/

"Our genitals are on a spectrum in terms of: how much erectile tissue sticks out (clitorises and dicks and inbetween); where the prostate is; where the wee hole is; whether the gonads are inside or outside; vagina size. Many people are in the middle of this spectrum with how their bodies are configured."

WTAF? There is a spectrum as to where the prostate is? that makes just as much sense as saying there is a spectrum as to where the uterus is between males and females !

"Currently I’m heavily involved in the DO … project. This is a campaign to make great sex and relationships education happen in schools." www.dosreforschools.com/

BISH and the DO SRE FOR SCHOOLS project are both sponsored by Durex and DO involves serious people who know about biology like the Family Planning Association, Brook and the National Association of Headteachers.

....I hope they were just not paying attention. I think we could bring it to the attention of their twitter accounts that they are supporting the promotion of sexism and absolute biological nonsense into schools.

Stillathing - that is a fucking appalling! Sorry for swearing, I am just getting fed the fuck up of this nonsense and bullshit and it makes me genuinely worry for my kids and society as a whole. I'm not on twitter or anything like this, but all this crap about people being 'banned' for daring to point out the obvious is literally fucking obscene.

It's like we live in some really fucking oppressive regime where if you dare to speak up you are committing some sort of treachery. This stuff is fairly new to me, a year ago I didn't know anything about it. Now its all anyone talks about and you see it online all the time. I just want it to stop.

It won't be long before the TRA's start applying this belief system to animals. "This is my dog, Misty. I know she has rather large testicles but she really is the most loving pooch ever, soooooo emotional". FFS!

They come near my kid with that garbage I will take it to the mattresses, I swear.
I will make it my life's work ffs.
It IS GROOMING, there's NO ambiguity, quite aside from the sexist brainwashing. How the Hell can any school sanction this?

Thank you for the clitoris info Nothing. I had a vague idea about it having "roots" but I looked it up, and wow, it's massive! So, no, not like a tiny penis at all, sorry Just-in.

WRT organisations believing and buying into this stuff - everybody's favourite freemason, Edward Lord, was Chair at Swim England (then called ASA) until summer 2015. It takes just one charismatic individual to set the direction of 'this is how we do things now'.

Yes cecily and his partner is "mates" with the BISH trainer and also into gaslighting that penises and clitorises are the same.

I've been tagging durex in on my tweets about this - they've got back to me today to say that they have passed it on to their marketing team amd also given me a direct email and phone number. Anyone fancy helping me put together an email that summarises the (many!!) reasons why durex shouldn't be sponsoring this shit?

I have attended one of his sessions. He referred to 'people with clitorises'. It was a moment.

Yes cecily and his partner is "mates" with the BISH trainer

Aye, Meg-John is partner of Edward Lord and MJ has contributed to Juston's bish guide. Justin and MJ have also written books together as well as having a podcast and zine site megjohnandjustin.com

boss well done! Point out that saying penises and clitorises are the same is dangerous misogynistic and homophobic gaslighting. Clitorises cannot rape and gay people are same sex attracted.

Obscuring biological sex by using only gender language erases the experiences of sexual assault victims and is dangerous. Only females get pregnant. The majority of sexual violence is committed by males against females . Gender identity is irrelevant to that. Educating the next generation not to be abusive should not involve pretending abuse doesn't happen.

The gender scale uses regressive gender stereotypes of passive women etc.

The training asks teenagers to give explicit personal information about their sexual preferences to a grown man which as PP have said is essentially grooming.

@BossWitch - I've been tagging them too. Also Reckitt Benckiser @discoverRB which is the company that owns Durex (they also own Nurofen, Dettol, Cillit Bang, Veet, Vanish, Calgon etc.... they shouldn't want to piss off the mums demographic!

They haven't got back to me but i was also going to write

OMG what fuckery is this???!

Just looking at the activity bookk.

Full of weirdy middle aged person trying to be down with the kids language, it's painful.

They seem to be bizarrely down on romantic relationships.
I get that heteronormative media & ideas around it do need addressing
But this info pack goes a little beyond that!

What age is this aimed at? 14 was it?

Concerns raised years ago already:

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationopinion/10689770/Sex-education-is-Planet-Porn-really-appropriate.html

That was just on a quick Google

Just thought I would find out how vaginas work and discovered that "grey people" have them.

www.bishuk.com/bodies/

Also is it really true that -women- grey people ejaculate out of their "pee pipe"?

(Checks skin) Nope, not grey, nor do I automatically cover my breasts with my arms when I lie down.

The fixation on women ejaculating = porn again.

still from the Bish video

Wiki:
"In female human anatomy, Skene's glands or the Skene glands (/skiːn/ SKEEN; also known as the lesser vestibular glands, periurethral glands, paraurethral glands, or homologous female prostate)"

Does someone have access to a medical textbook?

Is this the way that activists / CRUK will justify not campaigning to 'people with prostates''?

Female prostate?!
Ejaculation?!
Clitoral boner?!

This is all about defining women by terms associated with male anatomy or sexuality. It's disgraceful.

Read most of the activity pack last night.

It is very very clearly written by an adult man with an adult male view of sex.

The assumption that all children from 14 will be familiar with filmed porn and a wide variety of sex acts is dubious to say the least.

the author described wathing porn as a type of sex and also no different to watching the telly and no-one fusses about that.

It's not nuanced at all, not factual at all (all humans have "erectile tissue" that lies sowmehere in the middle between an erect penis and a clitoris? So about 2.5 inches is standard for most humans? Durex are sponsoring this???) and also teh author's voice in what they approve of (anal! toys! could be cool for your first time kids!) and what they disapprove of (romantic relationships. Possibly the author has baggage in that area :D).

In short it's utter steaming shit,
And reading it as a FEMALE person I felt very alienated.

DH said "some of this might be OK for boys" and there's teh problem.

It is a pro porn male centric document. Full of opinion, coercion, and gross factual inaccuracies.

Important to compare this the recent study by Jesicca Eaton (founder Victim Focus) on the influence of porn, & especially her work with children / young people.

'Beat the pussy up’ – the way we talk about sex with women'
(extract)
Where is this sexually violent language coming from?
Well, sorry to be the not-the-fun-kind-of-feminist, but its porn and societal misogyny. There is no doubt about where this is coming from. Work by people like Julia Long and Gail Dines has long told us that porn has become more and more violent, with Long (2012) arguing that over 90% of porn now features violence against women including hitting, slapping, kicking, choking, hurting, whipping and deliberately painful and extremely degrading sex acts." (continues)

"Professionals working with children and young people
If you are a professional, you can do absolutely everything I have listed for parents and you can also make it your mission to educate other professionals about the way language is changing to encourage the normalisation of sexual violence towards women and girls – especially as you may be working with young people you can influence through your direct work, counselling, youth work or in school sessions. I deliver porn workshops to children and trust me, they know WAY more about porn than you think. I learn something new about porn every time I talk to kids about porn. Don’t think that when you deliver your porn workshops in school, you will be shocking those teens – you will be talking to a large majority that have not only watched porn but have been significantly influenced by it. Seriously, I’ve taught teenage girls who have told me that they thought that having pubic hair was disgusting and weird because none of the women in porn have any. If you can’t face workshops about porn, build some on song lyrics and music videos – you will get all the same discussions. Teach other professionals, talk about the impact of porn, consider it in your line of work and if you can, talk to young people about porn and violence." (continues)

victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/05/18/beat-the-pussy-up-the-way-we-talk-about-sex-with-women/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3253264-Very-good-article-by-Jessica-Eaton-about-language-used-to-describe-sex

Maybe we should all email durex and ask how to get a condom on a clitoris?

I mean, if the author hasn't had much success in sustaining romantic relationships then that's sad and all, but I really don't think projecting his own inadequacies in that area onto random teenagers is appropriate.

I disagree that this is good for boys. It's definitely not good for girls. It may be good for the author in a misery loves company sort of way, but frankly I'd rather he be unhappy alone than share his mental/emotional damage with a bunch of kids.

When DH said "some of this might be OK for boys" he meant that it was written from a very male perspective and so they might relate...

Not that it was "good" in any way shape or form though.

Maybe I put it wrong. He meant that it obviously had a very male focus.

He is a very kind and gentle sort of a chap and we have 2 DDs one of whom is coming into this age >>> he was not impressed with the material

I am thinking about getting in touch with Durex. This document says that the only difference between a clit and a dick is size (what about the whole ejaculating sperm point?) and that most people are "somewhere in the middle" ie we all have 2.5 inch "outies", both of these points are completely incompatible with the point and use of condoms

I find the statement of obviously incorrect "facts" about bodies, made to children, with the aim of trying to get them to disassociate sexed bodies with gender ID, and therefore to break down, essentially, sexuality (homo / hetero and even bi to a degree as it doesn't exist either in a world where sex is irrelevant) really disturbing TBH. It's gaslighting and these are young kids we're talking about.

And bad for contraceptive education!

I think asking Durex to provide a video explaining how one puts a condom on a "short penis that some people may describe as a clitoris" would be a most excellent consciousness raising exercise.

Still can't believe that the British public are paying for this shithead to lie to children about their bodies via schools.

@discoverrb (Durex parent company) have responded on twitter (see pic)

" We are firmly committed to gender equality and are looking into the matter"

Maybe this is a good sign ? (although will have to see what they mean by 'gender equality') .

And this kind of bollocks is why I want to keep my children off social media for as long as possible. Batshit.