Children raped and trafficked in plain sight on the streets of Glasgow

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www.heraldscotland.com/news/12766853.The_Child_Sex_Scandal_On_The_Streets_Of_Scotland/

This has been going on for years. Every now and then there is another article written or another news report, like there was on Scottish news last night.

The police know about it
The social workers know about it
The Children's panel know about it
The press know about it
The politicians know about it
The people of Glasgow know about it
The people of Govanhill see it evry day and many continue to report it, but yet nothing happens.
This is Nicola Sturgeon's constituency

It's Rotherham all over again, except here these children are often being sold by their own parents. Parents who do not care if their daughters skip school, because they are girls. Girls are referred to the Children's panel, but the parents don't attend, because they don't care. They see no point in sending girls to school, educating girls. Girls are only good for one thing. And they are sold in the streets of Glasgow.

It's a scandal that this is happening in plain sight.

This is the Government who are proposing NAMED PERSON legislation, where every child in Scotland will have a named person who can intervene and overrule a parent's authority. This authoritarian proposal is being pushed as 'progressive'. Yet the authorities will not take actions against parents who are clearly neglecting, abusing and prostituting their children NOW. The government has that power now and they are choosing not to take action.

The Scottish Government is a disgrace. They come up with all manner of 'progressive' proposals yet they allow the rape of children on the streets of Glasgow.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1850898/children-are-being-sold-for-sex-by-their-parents-on-streets-of-glasgow/

I knew it was going to involve Roma children before I even clicked the link. I work in Newcastle within the Roma community and it is absolutely happening here as well. When school opens on Tuesday we will have a good few families with new babies whose 'mothers' were not pregnant before the holidays. Its a fucking nightmare. We are also at the heart of the Operation Sanctuary scandal. It is a heartbreaking community to work in.

Those poor children

How can expecting a every citizen to adhere to decent behaviour standards and not pimp or rape kids be seen as racism? What is wrong with people

NSPCC won't participate in a webchat about safeguarding.

Any chance they'd participate in a web chat about this?

The Times did a major investigation into this and it was off the back of that that the current investigation was launched. Yet again, all happening in plain sight while the authorities looked the other way.

Do we accept that the Strathclyde Police are reporting their outcomes in good faith? That despite the scale of their investigations they have uncovered no verifiable evidence?

It might be deemed prejudicial to an investigation if they approached it with the attitude that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

For all of the authorities involved, this sounds like a quagmire if there is no evidence.

Even the Herald’s headline downplays it. There is no such thing as “child sex”. There is only child rape and child abuse.
Which apparently Sturgeon doesn’t give a shit about in her own constituency - she prefers to bang on about independence, while neglecting her own responsibilities to the residents of her own city.

I am SO angry with the Scottish Government. That Named Person legislation is a complete shitshow: they are proposing that every single child has a person who can intervene and overrule a parent, on grounds that are still to be determined, but given that some councils are saying it could be used to enforce the gender idenitity bullshit, God only knows what progressive crap it could be used for.

And it's not needed. The laws are in place to stop this now.

Named person legislation is not required to stop children being raped and trafficked on the streets of Glasgow. A government, a MSP who allows this to continue are comitting a gross dereliction of duty.

Nicola Sturgeon says that the SNP pursues progressive policies. Any good that they have ever done is undone by this mass child abuse.

This isn't about poverty. Govanhill has always been poor, but was in the past a 'respectable' working class area. Drinking, violence, poverty visible in the streets, yes. Prostitution and rape of children in the streets, no.

I've read about this in the past.

Why is nothing being done? The legislation is all in place. Child sex abuse is a crime. Trafficking people for sex is a crime. Having sex with a trafficked woman or child is a strict liability crime (i.e. it doesn't matter whether the man knew the victim was trafficked or not, the fact that she was is enough to make it a crime).

Both the pimps and punters could be prosecuted if the authorities wanted to. All the legal framework is there. Why are the authorities choosing not to do anything?

I live in Glasgow and work for Glasgow City Council and you are absolutely right, this stuff is widely known about. I cannot fathom why nothing is being done but it horrifies me. Terrible things happening to the Roma community seems to be somehow expected or, dare I say it, accepted round here. It's horrible.

I can’t see why they would need a named person when the state has those powers now. They need state action, police intervention remove the children they see being sold. Then they can collate evidence. So little gets done to make children safe in the U.K. nobody in authority seems to care what happens to little kids. It’s disgusting.

One thing that comes up over and over in the distressing family history of the Challenors is that many authorities were involved, quite huge sums spent (the Family Law report seems to indicate it wasn't far off £500,000 in legal bills, never mind additional Social Service or investigation costs). There were almost no findings that could be used in the SS's case to uphold their concerns as they were not evidence that could be substantiated or was not open to equivocation.

It's horribly distressing and it is devastating for the children living with this.

What can authorities do/say when they have run operations and have nothing to show for it?

NB - I can't begin to describe how conflicted I am writing the above. One of the most wretched memories of my decades-ago childhood is knowing that young girls in nearby houses were being pimped by their own parents from a young age. People knew and were morally torn (including my mother). The option was that the children were removed and sent to the children's homes - most of which were known about as places where the sex abuse/rape would continue and which are still in the news as it's taken so long for authorities to admit to what happened there.

...and it isn't about immigration either.

Govanhill has always been a place filled with immigrants and still is. Jews, Irish, Pakistanis. Many worked hard and moved on to 'surburbia' (Kings Park ) in that Scottish version of the American dream style, and then new immigrants moved in. There is a good record of people who come from Govanhill who have done very well. The schools were good. It was relatively safe for an inner city poor area. Most of the people were employed. It was not the sewer that it is now.

But it IS mainly the Roma children being abused here. And the place IS a sewer. It has been allowed to happen. It's sheer fucking neglect and dereliction of duty, on a mass scale.

Here's a share token to one of the Time articles about what is happening. They ran a full on investigation, publishing numerous articles about it:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/govanhill-child-sex-trade-there-are-so-many-it-s-easy-pickings-for-child-abusers-m2swzc63h?shareToken=90cd7e6ffedb3a5e3c00bc3975600d1b

Sometimes I read stuff like this - and think what is the bloody point. The next big child sexual abuse scandal is always just around the corner, and then you find out everyone knew about it.

It's made me so angry, I can't even finish the article. I despair. Nothing changes.

God that's heartbreaking. If their own parents are selling them into sexual slavery, what hope do they have? Sold to a paedo at 3 years old, by your own mother. Fuck.

Its the same issue as with Rotherham. The Roma are one of the most oppressed groups in society, therefore anyone suggesting there might be an issue was shouted down as racist bigots.

Sometimes I read stuff like this - and think what is the bloody point. The next big child sexual abuse scandal is always just around the corner, and then you find out everyone knew about it.

This is my (overwhelmingly depressing) feeling too.

That is horrific. I’m also not surprised.

The more cases like this come to light the more I become convinced that CSA is so endemic in our society, at all levels, right up to the very top, that there is not just neglect in prosecution but active blocking of it.

Absolutely heartbreaking.

I'm not sure I understand the context. Is it being implied that some Roma people are trafficking Roma children (who may or may not be their own)? So some of these victims don't even have their parents to protect them?

Horrific. Those poor children. I’m sick to death of ‘fear of racism’ being used as an excuse not to do anything about child abusers and rapists. Because it’s not true is it? The police are always being investigated for institutional racism when it comes to stop and search or looking at gang violence that mainly effects Bme males so they don’t care about being called racist then. But when it’s children being raped, suddenly it is more important not to be accused of racism than it is to protect defenceless children. I’m not buying it.

The Times article is more informative, spof

This is fucking outrageous

Can I put my NAMALT in early

What the fuck is wrong with men? And we know that the punters are men, right, even while the article says people.

The reason the authorities aren't interested is same a Rotherham I'm sure

Combination of
These children are not valued by society
Plus
Complications of the pimps being from a deprived marginalised community + it's their parents so removing kids will be outcry etc so
Easier to turn a blind eye and the children were never going to amount to much anyway attitude

Some children will have been killed, I mean that's very likely.

We need more attention on the men buying these children. They need arresting and locking up.

I honestly don’t think it’s fear of racism. Because quite frankly that’s too easy. I think it’s far far more likely that it’s too big a problem to deal with.
The number of people involved will run into hundreds. They don’t have foster care for the children, they don’t have medical care for the children, they don’t have police to interview and charge, they don’t have prisons to hold them. And after all that the ongoing support doesn’t exist.
I wish it was racism because a clean sweep from the top down would solve it. What’s actually needed is investment at every level and that costs money and no one wants to tax the pubic to pay for this.
I know a teacher crying her eyes out because an 11 year old is being raped by a 16 and after going through all the safeguarding procedures exactly nothing is happing, mainly because the girls parents think her “boyfriend” is great.

GoldenWonderwall yeah I don't buy it either.

I think it's an excuse, real reason is these children are not deemed valuable, worthy of protection.

Thing is csa has always been everywhere

What is different is that now we are hearing about some of it

The prevalence of men who want to rape children is really fucking worrying and I suspect even with this, Rotherham etc, Seville and co, the priests, care homes, schools, we are Still only scratching the surface.