Reading Pride

[JellySlice]

Looks like I'm going with my 15yo and her friends to Pride tomorrow. They are naive rainbow-swallowing trans-allies, and I am a gender-critical liberal (small-L). I am not going to spoil their fun or embarrass dd, I am simply there as their discreet chaperone.

But...

Should I, still discreet, do something...more?

Suggestions...?

bingo!

Its doesn't seem to be up to intelligent women (or the Oxford English Dictionary for that matter) to define what a women is either.

Heaven forbid. There are people better qualified than us to to that. People with penises.

Oi oi jasmine.

Who is the transphobe?

The OP.

I don’t see transphobia in the OP. She wants to protest, as I see it, an agenda unrelated to sexuality over taking a pride event, to the detriment of a founding group of the movement. I think that is fair enough, I do however think it is a bad idea to do this solo and pre-publicise it.

I don't. And neither does any lesbian I know. And neither do trans activists. The big obsession with penises is here on FWR.

An yet I and lots of my friends who are L and B have been told we must include T in our dating circles or be labelled bigots.

Lesbians are always welcome

As long as they suck dick, apparently.

👀👀

Sheesh seeing transphobia everywhere

I have no intention of doing anything big. Discreet, as I said. I will not upset, embarrass or endanger dd or her friends.

I have involvement with transitioners of various sorts and degrees and I 100% support their rights to self-expression, safety and autonomy. However I also 100% support the rights of females to self-expression, safety and autonomy.

I do not support one group's forceful imposition of their ideology upon another group.

Stay safe OP.

Lesbians are always welcome
You mean as long as they're prepared to pretend that hetrosexual men who self ID as women are lesbians.

Lesbians certainly aren't welcome at Pride, Jasmine. I won't go any more, I will not be around people insisting that people with penises are lesbians and that my sexual orientation is not a valid reason to refuse sex with people with penises if they identify as women. The POV that genital preference can be and should be unlearned to be inclusive, is deeply homophobic and pro conversion therapy.

If believing that having a problem with the above is 'transphobic' then the word really has lost all meaning. It's the people who don't have a problem with the above who are the ones society should be very worried about.

I find it very difficult to comment on these threads because as a lesbian, the female homosexual kind, I get incredibly angry when people come on here telling people like me, a lesbian, that I’m a bigot because I do not except that men can be lesbians, or that women have penises, and that I ever have to be forced into a position where I have to defend myself for stating facts makes me feel both helpless and furious at the same time.
And that’s not even going into the fear I felt when going to pride in my own town, or the upset I felt when being completely blanked by people I used to call friends, or the reluctance I feel to attend any lesbian events now because I’m openly GC and I feel marginalised and unsafe, or the complete terra I feel that this madness will never end, and that it’ll only get worse.
I have trans friends, had trans friends, who I supported and sympathised with, and if anyone had attacked them, or verbally abused them, or was vile to them in any way, I would have been right there defending them, but where are they now? Where are they now I’m being told that I’m a bigot, just for being myself? Where are they now I’m being told I’m not allowed to live and love in peace because I refuse to allow certain people into my bed?
I’ll tell you where they are, they are doing it. They have disappeared so far up their own arses with how special they think they are that they‘ve forgotten that other people have a right to exist to.
So honestly, sincerely, pride can fuck off, the LGBTQDJTUCUWZKOUIBXMKGDSGRFCSQFJNBLPYY+=>?~# or whatever it’s up to now can fuck off, and the rainbow flag can fucking burn for all I care.

I do not support one group's forceful imposition of their ideology upon another group.

Good. So don't force the rad fem ideology on anyone and all will be well.
Hope you enjoy yourself.

Our gay friends are tired of dealing with conversion therapy presented under the guise of inclusiveness.

Yes. Gay men are wising up

Too right. I'm madly peaking all my gay friends and colleagues by pointing out that trans ideology means that cunnilingus is now compulsory for them. Their little faces, lol!

Placing leaflets stating facts about your group, without reference to any other group, is not 'forcing ideology on anyone'.

They are naive rainbow-swallowing trans-allies

Your OP very clearly references trans people and makes it clear you are not a trans ally.

Maybe start a new thread about how to promote feminism at pride if that is your intention? As your OP sounded very much like you have something against trans people.

There's a very local pride to me this weekend and I did consider the sticker thing but I decided it wouldn't be right, as a straight woman. Although I would do it as an ally to lesbians but my lesbian friends aren't local.

Besides which the GRA is my biggest concern and I would want to target a wider audience than just those attending pride. I wouldn't want to spoil a happy day. I don't want trans people to feel victimised or miserable or singled out. I just want the public at large to know what is happening and the implications for biological females. However I absolutely stand with hotrocker and her post below was very moving and offers an insight into an experience that literally no one seems to give a shit about. I cannot imagine how marginalised lesbians must be feeling right now and I keep reading accounts like this and it makes me so sad and furious.

So I probably sound very conflicted in my post and maybe not making a lot of sense. I just feel that if I put those stickers up in a small local parade then it would feel like targeted harassment but if I put them up In Sainsbury's in a retail park then it wouldn't.

I don't want trans people to feel victimised or miserable or singled out.

You and 99% of pride attendees - yes including lesbians -hence it being a really shit idea.

My 12 year old daughter has just shyly announced she has a girlfriend.

I’d love to have taken her to MCR pride last week but in the current climate, I felt it would make her less comfortable with her emerging self, rather than more so.

Turns out, I was right to be cautious
One of the compères has resigned after making lesbophobic comments on stage.

JellySlice your daughter is older than mine, so perhaps going along and making lots of audible support for lesbian groups, whilst being prepped and ready for some difficult conversations on why the current schism is occurring, should you witness anything, is the best option?

Yes well I'm going out on a limb here and going to assume you haven't surveyed the opinions of my local pride attendees. Nor can you speak for the lesbians who deliberately don't go, because they feel unwelcome and uncomfortable at pride.

I don't like the idea but I think you are making a lot of assumptions.

That was to jasmine

WarmWishes I invite you to watch the crowds of thousands upon thousands of women cheering the #LwiththeT marchers at the pride festivals across the country this summer.

The irony is the London Pride protest has made so many lesbians come out in solidarity with trans women. To be fair if the OP did do a spiteful protest it would only make more lesbians show their solidarity and support so maybe she should crack on.