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Green Party thread 3

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FermatsTheorem · 30/08/2018 17:21

Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread?pg=40

Will post links to AC's public statement and Caroline Lucas's appalling white wash job in a moment, but for me, Andrew Gilligan nails it yet again:
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

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Ereshkigal · 04/09/2018 17:59

Seems like aimee is a bear faced liar and a liability.

I don't mean to laugh but that's a great typo Grin

WomblingWoman · 04/09/2018 17:59

Eres twitter.com/djandyhealey

This persons been pretty vocal about their suspension.

He also says the C's plural tried to get an injunction against him re his GC views.

arranfan · 04/09/2018 17:59

Who was suspended apart from Olivia?

Injunction attempted against Healey. Alison Simmons (?) says she was summarily expelled but counter-claims are made that she resigned her membership effectively by refusing to accept something.

Company and pictures I must have missed it if anyone would mind linking for me please?

T&C of Mumsnet for FWR means some links would not be permitted.

Does Aimee not realise what Twitter is awash with, at the moment, in terms of sites Aimee belongs to?

A downside of using a blocker is that you're out of touch with some perspectives?

Ereshkigal · 04/09/2018 17:59

Haha x post

BettyDuMonde · 04/09/2018 18:05

Thanks for doing this Red I can’t quite believe what my ears just experienced so an independent source will be most welcome!

Also, thanks to Phil Upton, the interviewer. I could hear you were hesitating and not wanting to upset this young adult (who has described themselves as having SEN in the past) but I think you made the right call in accurately naming DC’s crime and also in cross examining Aimee’s answers and probing at inconsistencies.

I think it was just the right balance between kindness and journalistic integrity - well done.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/09/2018 18:06

Ereshigal Grin

WomblingWoman · 04/09/2018 18:08

Alison sent an email basically saying she wasn't sure she wanted to be a member of a party who didn't listen to women.

She says she was hoping for some clarification that wasn't the case.

Instead she got back - membership cancelled.

It's on this twitter thread:

twitter.com/shahrarali/status/1036201308494147584?s=21

Anlaf · 04/09/2018 18:10

interesting interview. if you have a record Red, a couple of bits I found particuarly noteable.

The interviewer presses Aimee to admit that the GP's transphobia is something Aimee has noticed over the last few weeks (and not before).

On being asked about Aimee's father's crimes and why Aimee+DC had not talked about them, Aimee deflects by saying they were coming out of care, and coming out as a transwoman.

Also Baloo Challenor was the name DC used in scouting and in wheelchair basketball as well as parkrun etc. I don't know if I'd heard of his involvement with wheelchair basketball before....

Ereshkigal · 04/09/2018 18:13

Alison sent an email basically saying she wasn't sure she wanted to be a member of a party who didn't listen to women.

She says she was hoping for some clarification that wasn't the case.

Instead she got back - membership cancelled.

Wow Shock

Datun · 04/09/2018 18:23

JillyArmeeen

There have been lots of posts on twitter.

I don't see why I can't link, as long as I say they are alleged.

mobile.twitter.com/doedoe90303811

Datun · 04/09/2018 18:25

I'd like to add, that I don't think there is a single person who links any blame to Amy for her father's crimes.

Just that Aimee is not in a position to have any kind of say in matters that relate to safeguarding.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 18:31

BBC: There will be people listening to the interview tonight, who will be well aware of your history, that know you are currently suspended by the green party prior to this announcement of yours today, because as we've highlighted on this programme before and as we've spoken to you about before, you've run your deputy leadership campaign before, which you've had to suspend, this after finding out your father had acted as an election agent whilst facing a child rape charge. There will be some hearing this, thinking this is sour grapes by you, that you are jumping before you are pushed by the party in this current period of suspension that you are in. How do you respond to that

AC: I've made it quite clear that my father's crimes were horrific and atrotious and I've apologised for appointing him as my election agent. And originally the statement that the green party put out, they said that they were supportive of me in that. So its definitely not sour grapes. There are some great people in the green party that I consider close friends, however what we've done is got to a point as a party that our messaging, especially on trans rights rights is falling behind, and its no longer the party that I joined in 2014. I had, I'd stated publically, when I was suspended that I will, work with the investigation, that is still true because I beleive that there were some massive safeguarding failures within the party.

I informed the party in 2016 of the arrest. I wasn't aware of the full details of the case myself. And I wasn't until the start of this month.

BBC: Lets just clarify that ok, so when did first hear that your father faced these charges

AC: I wasn't aware of the exact charges until earlier this month. I knew that he had been arrested for a number of serious offences. I fed that back to the party, in November 2016

BBC: So there was no part at which you and your father had a conversation which you said 'Dad, whats this all about'?

AC: I as was made clear in my statement, I was coming out of care at the time. I was also coming out as a trans women. I wanted...

[interruption by bbc i can't quite make out]

AC: No not at the time of the inital arrest, no I wasn't. It was quite a shock to me. I didn't actually move back home until last year and right before the general election. And so I moved home, and I attempted to build bridges with my family after several years in care away from my family, and for me it seemed the obvious thing 'oh my dad's good at paper work and he enjoys politics, lets appoint him my agent'. In hindsight that was a mistake and its a mistake I can only apologise for, I can't go back and undo it now. But I've apologised. And I've said that I said by what I've said that I will work with the investigation, by the green party and who have contracted out to verita.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 04/09/2018 18:32

The stuff on Twitter is sickening. Even if it's not true as to AC's involvement, it's pretty clear that there is a thriving subculture of people who get sexual gratification out of things I'd rather not think about. Sorry to sound like a pearl-clutcher but I've led a sheltered life and had no idea about any of this till the Neville Southgate thing a couple of weeks ago. I suppose some would say it's no business of anybody else's as long as it's all consensual. I'm not sure, though. I'd want reassurance from people who've researched into or done clinical work with people who role play as adult babies that there is no crossover with stuff that might involve real life minors. I'd also want reassurance about minors not being groomed.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 18:32

I have to stop now as I'm going out shortly. If no one else puts up a transcript before tomorrow, I'll try and finish it, but I'm all out of time today now.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 18:37

The thing that has struck me, writing it up off the recording is the extent to which in Aimee's mind the Green Party, isn't a collective group of people who have shared values - its AIMEE's Values and AIMEE's agenda and AIMEE's party.

There is no disconnect. Its almost as if Aimee is the little dictator and as soon as Aimee is no long in control of the party agenda - because someone has challenged Aimee's authority, thats the moment 'transphobia' appears. Which I note, Aimee can only find ONE other example, relating to a single person, which they admit might be a mistake and is minor rather than serious.

Its staggering.

I know it gets worse in the later part of the interview too. The size of Aimee's ego and self importance is jaw dropping.

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 18:38

What a patsy interview.

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 18:38

From what's been transcribed so far.

Anlaf · 04/09/2018 18:38

Thanks for this red

JillyArmeeen · 04/09/2018 18:40

Thank you Datun.
That is quite disturbing.

Datun · 04/09/2018 18:48

I've made it quite clear that my father's crimes were horrific and atrotious and I've apologised for appointing him as my election agent.

Horrific and atrocious crimes didn't stop me appointing him. And now I'm sorry, because I've been found out.

Datun · 04/09/2018 18:50

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap

I don't think a life has to be sheltered to not encounter this kind of stuff.

It's one thing to acknowledge that people (largely men) have fetishes. It's quite another to realise that they leach into real life almost every level.

It's the secrecy which leads to the understanding that this is an acknowledged thing that most people are completely unaware of.

BettyDuMonde · 04/09/2018 18:54

I used to work on phone sex chat line (before the internet!) and honestly, the variety of incredibly weird stuff that male people get turned on by is never ending. Like monkeys wanking into infinity.

arranfan · 04/09/2018 18:56

It's the secrecy which leads to the understanding that this is an acknowledged thing that most people are completely unaware of.

I don't understand adults who are free to make their own lifestyle choices with consenting adults who nonetheless fail to understand that there are some topics on which they should recuse themselves from having an input because of the risk of a conflict of interest.

I sincerely wonder if Nolan needs an amendment of some sort or merely more effective implementation and monitoring.

Nolan principles of public life:

Selflessness
Integrity
Objectivity
Accountability
Openness
Honesty
Leadership

MipMipMip · 04/09/2018 19:00

Nolan already has objectivity. I think that covers it.

MipMipMip · 04/09/2018 19:00

Unless you want to add active brain cells?

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