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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Green Party thread 3

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FermatsTheorem · 30/08/2018 17:21

Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread?pg=40

Will post links to AC's public statement and Caroline Lucas's appalling white wash job in a moment, but for me, Andrew Gilligan nails it yet again:
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

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WomblingWoman · 02/09/2018 00:20

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way Pam.

Sian's tweets are disappearing in full.

If that was the result of AC's clean up operation what you'd see on Sian's timeline is a re-tweet with tweet not available.

theOtherPamAyres · 02/09/2018 00:45

Destroying records of one's support for AC demonstrates a lack of integrity.

Not a good luck for the next co-leader of the Green Party.

theOtherPamAyres · 02/09/2018 00:50

Not a good look, I meant.

Sian B facilitated access to the Mayor of London for AC. Or to put it another may, Sian B launched AC on a power trip against some unfortunate employees of TFL.

CesiraAndEnrico · 02/09/2018 00:56

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way Pam.

It doesn't.

It works exactly as you describe.

pamish · 02/09/2018 00:56

This is another of the grownups in the party who has been shocked by what he's seen. I've just suggested he contacts you lot for evidence.

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WomblingWoman · 02/09/2018 01:11

With respect Pam he doesn't need to contact anyone.

This is thread 3 on this issue.

He can read the threads.

All the information collected is in the public domain and frankly wasn't hard to find...and therein lies the problem for the Greens.

BoreOfWhabylon · 02/09/2018 01:12

Had it not been for the women on here and Twitter (often, I suspect, the same ones) this whole stinking mess would never have seen the light of day.

Well done everyone.

CesiraAndEnrico · 02/09/2018 01:25

BoreOfWhabylon

Hear hear.

I'm not entirely sure how you nominate people for an OBE. But they bloody deserve one. For services of protecting children, women and political transparency.

Well beyond the call of duty. Lots of personal risk in the current climate.

And they did it anyway.

WomblingWoman · 02/09/2018 01:57

I think a lot depends on your circumstances tbh.

I'm anon here (and NC a lot) but tweet under my RL name- so I'm "out" in that sense.

Have I lost friends? Yes.

But I've not been in a situation where it would impact my livelihood.

My DH is also supportive.

There are many women for whom that isn't the case (and still speak up anyway, for which they have my utter admiration and those that feel unable who have my understanding) - so I feel it's up to those of us who are in a position to be "front line fodder" to do so.

My sex is not a matter for debate.

pamish · 02/09/2018 02:24

Havent some posts been withdrawn/deleted though, as its gone along. They could be ones with redacted info or eg possible victim naming - so could still be useful to those in the GP gathering info.
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WomblingWoman · 02/09/2018 02:38

Yes - but again they out in the public domain (as opposed to MN) if you choose to search for that information.

Moanslice · 02/09/2018 07:12

They have suspended Aimee

BitOfFun · 02/09/2018 07:15

While stressing the entirely usual "no fault" basis.

Moanslice · 02/09/2018 07:28

How do we know that Cassie Lovecraft is Aimee Challenor?

Moanslice · 02/09/2018 07:47

I am answering my own question. And maybe you have already covered this (i cant see it but thread is huge)

The evidence showing Cassie Lovechild is Aimee Challenor...

Check out @Danvers07943910’s Tweet: twitter.com/Danvers07943910/status/1035886940674039809?s=09

Is this conclusive? (I think it probably is?)

sashh · 02/09/2018 07:54

I've just been sent a link to this, I'm going to take a look

Genderhammer
www.genderhammer.com/genderhammer.com/index.php?sid=3fa697a99cc0afaf32a0f89afdcdf46b

Crwban · 02/09/2018 08:54

Thanks to all who've contributed to these threads. It cannot be said enough that MN has opened my eyes. I don't often post but am constantly reading and learning. Many NC's so I look 'new' but have been here years.

Your investigative skills are second to none and am proud to stand alongside you.

7YearsOfBlood · 02/09/2018 09:32

Hear, hear Crwbn - you sound like me, which makes me think there are lots of us watching and learning. I am a lot more active on Twitter than here (mainly because the character limit stops me waffling on).

Hats off to the MNers and Twitter folk who keep floating the issues when others are trying to make them sink from view.

CesiraAndEnrico · 02/09/2018 10:01

which makes me think there are lots of us watching and learning

I think that is proved by the changes seen in regards to this topic, on MN, over a period of years. My first into was a thread on AIBU, or maybe Chat. God knows how many years ago, but a woman was being gaslighted, on this site, into giving vagina a chance, after her date revealed transman status. Her reluctance was palpable. But a slight majority of posters were framing that reluctance as saying something negative about her outlook/character. The pressure on the OP to prioritise her date's feelings about rejection above her own sexual boundaries was both insane, and very real. I went from a cis word user to WTF! in about 150 posts.

Some time later I was posting on a big trans thread on one of the feminist boards. At the time GenderTrender was as popular a mention as Katie Hopkins, with similar reactions. And I got rounded on by many on the thread for mentioning The Cotton Ceiling.

I'm shit with time, so I couldn't tell you when it happened. But it could be anywhere between 8-4 years ago. Roughly.

Some people, mostly centred on this corner of the site, have slogged away tirelessly for a very long time. They've peak transed an indescribable number of people. Motivated many more into taking a more critical look at the Emperor's fancy new robe. And given even more a sense that their unvoiced, not quite put into words, disquiet, is not as " disgusting and out there with the creationists" as some posters would have had them think.

On any board lurkers will always outnumber active posters. I suspect the ratio here is higher than most others. And I'd bet my house that a large number who came to lurk for the "tut at the mean transphobes" potential, went away going "shit, I think I may need a rethink here".

And I think that is why the TRAs are so desperate to shut the debate down here. They can regularly take the temperature of a board/site every bit as well as I can, and note a very real, and fairly dramatic, climate change in progress.

99point9FahrenheitDegrees · 02/09/2018 11:01

Yup. All the way from ?shrug? ?bathrooms? to realization and horror. Thanks so much to you all.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 02/09/2018 11:27

Eresh

That should also go on the newish thread about Jess Bradley, AC and Edward Lord

carceralfeminist · 02/09/2018 11:29

That thread is disturbing AF......
What the hell is Stonewall condoning?!?!?!?!?!

Ereshkigal · 02/09/2018 11:32

Have done this Ladybirds

Ereshkigal · 02/09/2018 11:35

carceral

I trust they'll be updating their definition to include these new categories of authentic selfhood.