Caroline Lucas on Aimee Challoner in the Guardian

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/30/look-future-aimee-challenor-trans-green-party-caroline-lucas?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Starts off promising, then segues into trans apologia and mealy-mouthed justifications why she hasn’t taken further action

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It's really evil for your first public comment to focus on transgenderism rather than the victim and safeguarding.

That article is dreadful. I have voted for the Green party in the past. I won't be doing so again.

The Guardian never ever open comments on trans-related stories. They know that their readers aren't buying this crap.

Really scrutinising it for positive comment, but at least she mentioned the actual violence (eg bomb threats) that we are enduring...

Caroline believes:

I understand people’s fears, but they must not be used to justify the demonisation of trans people or the denial of their rights, nor as an opportunity to claim that women’s rights are at risk from trans equality.

This is a prime example of a non sequitur argument because one doesn't logically follow from the other.

It also detracts from the important work of dismantling our patriarchal social structures. Of creating a society in which we are all truly equal, free and empowered to choose how we live our lives – including the right to choose a different gender to the one assigned at birth and to live free from any gender construct imposed by society.

Yet another non sequitur.

Nothing in this piece is logical or coherent. I'm also astounded at the arrogance of it all.

While we can all agree that what her father did was monstrous, the transphobia unleashed against her on social media is absolutely unacceptable. So too is the aggressive and regressive vilification of those wanting to discuss trans issues. There have been bomb threats and bots systematically blocking women on social media to try to silence those who are asking whether trans rights put women’s rights at risk.

Oh Caroline. Caroline, Caroline, Caroline..........

You forgot to say, sweetheart, who was behind the Terfblocker list. You know perfectly well who it was, don't you? Because Aimee confirmed it, at least once, publicly. Dear oh dear oh dear...what an omission. One might thing you'd missed that out deliberately............

Tut tut tut.

So words like

demonisation(sic)
empowered

And this:

Justice and truth must not be further victims of David Challenor’s crimes and nor must trans people’s rights.

What a crock of shit. She can't do anything about Aimee's conduct? She doesn't want to bypass due process? What about the woman who was suspended within hours of the gender tv debate on the basis of a tweet from a Labour Party trans activist? She was subsequently expelled - did she get due process? What about the man who was denied due process & was denied the right to have his own branch of the Green Party try to mediate to resolve the complaint made against him, which resulted in an 8 mth suspension?

She's talking out of her arse. Aimee is clearly unfit for a public high profile role in politics & has made terrible judgements about the risk their father posed while covering up the fact he'd been charged with the most awful crimes against a 10 yr old girl.

No way would anyone else avoid at the very least a suspension while their conduct was investigated in these circumstances. No way in hell would that happen.

Yes. It is arrogant.

Daring to lecture people about something that she clearly knows piss all about.

In a horrible attempt to deflect from the GP member's crimes.

Didn't work, Caroline.

My opinion of the Greens is that they are not just batshit, they are downright dangerous.

If my DD was daft enough to be in that party, I'd be pulling her out right now. Young people are not safe in that party. Women are not safe.

And if there is any dodgy bloke out there who isn't a member yet, this article is like a recruitment campaign.

I will never take Caroline Lucas seriously as a politician again.

I'm just going to C&P what I put on the other thread:

It's beyond tone deaf, it's absolutely bloody scandalous.

Could someone who's on twitter do whatever is required to draw her attention to Andrew Gilligan's tweet yesterday, re. DC and Coventry Pride.

The trustees of Coventry pride were informed in November (IIRC) 2016 of the charges against DC, and as a result, required him to stand down from any involvement with their organisation (quite rightly, and hooray to see one organisation prepared to act in a decent and principled way).

AC was at the time (and I believe continues to be) one of the trustees of Coventry Pride.

That, coupled with the fact that AC lived in the same house as DC, and it's pretty much inconceivable that the police won't have interviewed all members of the household in the course of their enquiries, makes it nigh on impossible that AC did not know of the charges DC was facing at the time AC chose to use DC as their election officer (and also at the time when they jointly drafted proposed Green Party policy which had implications for child safeguarding practice - policy which, if memory serves me correctly, was presented at the party conference).

You would have to be a remarkably credulous person indeed to believe AC's claim that AC did not know.

THAT is the issue, Caroline Lucas. Not that AC is trans, but that AC almost certainly knew that DC was facing criminal charges for rape and sexual abuse of a 10 year old, that AC, despite that, used DC as election agent and drafted policy with him, and that AC has almost certainly lied their little socks off to try to cover this up.

gender is a construct independent of vagina and ovaries

See, I agree with her there. Sex, on the other hand, is not. I hope she actually meant gender rather than sex doesn't hold out much hope

AC came out as trans on their 16th birthday. That's self ID. I do believe they are now going through a process of getting a GRC.

Can't get beyond the "listening and learning" (probably written by a sub editor )
What that means is listening and learning to trans. Not to actual fucking natal women I betcha.

There is much more to being a girl or woman than having all the reproductive parts, a bit more than a vagina and ovaries, Caroline.

It's as if trans was just about males only.

Caroline Lucas, desperately hoping that the magic Trans wand of Invisibility and Silencing will work its usual magic.

And allow the Green Party to cover up how they sheltered someone on heinous criminal charges and leant that criminal their approbation and the veneer of probity.

Shame on you, Caroline.

How cynical.

Do you really despise your idealistic members so much?

gender is a construct independent of vagina and ovaries

Fine, whatever (although gender stereotypes clearly arise from the reality of sexual dimorphism) - that's why women are concerned to retain sex as the basis for separate services etc.

gender is a construct independent of vagina and ovaries

A concept feminists have tried to dismantle. Not strengthen.

I voted for the Greens once I thought Caroline Lucas knew what she was doing then.

Not now.

This is ignoring the point. Fiddling whilst the party burns.

"daughter"

I see the Guardian really is Trans News now. They might as well go the whole hog and change their fucking name.

I don't know about you but the unfortunate thing about that paragraph (' ... gender is ...') is that, for me, it triggers a memory of what Aimee Challoner's agent did to his victim.

Horrible.

I am sickened by that statement.

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Its fuck all to do with what AC IS

Its all about what AC IS DOING