What makes men angry with women?

[Italiangreyhound]

What makes men angry with women?

Is this article of any interest? Does it offer any incites?

goodmenproject.com/featured-content/hidden-reason-men-angry-women-over-nothing-chwm/

Thanks in advance if anyone reads it.

All of the above issues that men have (may have) are within their grasp to sort out.
They control all societies all over the world (bar iceland??), the vast majority of the wealth, the political power etc etc. They can do what they like, they can sort all this out if they want to, easily. They don't. That means that fow whatever reason, as a group, they are not interested in doing so.
Take porn maybe as an example. There is plenty of evidence that it is harmful to both men and women. And it is getting worse, causing emotional and physical damage to women, and emotional damage to men (physical as well if you count erectile dysfunction, I was thinking of actual injst though). But, the VAST majority of men say, I like it, what's the harm? No no don't tone it down or take it away. In India there is a big market in films of real rapes. In S Korea, non consensual voyeristic film of women is big. In USA and UK, "revenge porn" are common. All driven by men, for men, for a male audience, all that harm. And the men say, oh but this I like, it's not so bad, that well who knows if it's real? and the other well what did she expect and so on.

They seem to have as a group little ability to take responsibiltiy for anything. Any man caught in a lie that will get him in trouble hits stout denial mode like a little boy who's taken the biscuits and has chocolate all around his mouth. When proven - they don't apologise, they are angry, angry at "mum" for catching them out and being so mean.

They aren't proper grown ups, a lot of them, I find.

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massive growing market for images of child sexual abuse.

No real appetite to sort it out - in fact the (predominantly male) authorities say, we're not going to bother arresting men over this any more as it's too common....

Just entitlement really at the bottom of it all.

No real appetite to sort it out - in fact the (predominantly male) authorities say, we're not going to bother arresting men over this any more as it's too common....

Having worked for a digital forensics company who contracted to the police, often analysing suspected sex offenders computers, this is not my experience. Have you anything to back up your claim?

Baumederose I agree with you about respect but I don't view all men as like this, and know at least one truly amazing man!

Turph "I do think male suicide rates are linked to the abolition of male only environments, although this is obviously just one factor, and plenty of those environments were terribly toxic and restrictive." I cannot necessarily see the correlation there.

"Likewise women cope with incapacitated men worse. Women do not find emotionally incontinent men attractive. Women on the pill prefer sensitive men with prettier features, ovulating women not on birth control prefer ultra masculine brutes with more pronounced manly features." That's interesting, where are you getting this from? Surely a woman who comes off the pill might be trying to get pregnant so may already have selected her mate, be he dainty or meaty!

NothingOnTellyAgain "All of the above issues that men have (may have) are within their grasp to sort out." Perhaps collectively but not individually.

"They control all societies all over the world (bar iceland??)" What's different about Iceland?

"Any man caught in a lie that will get him in trouble hits stout denial mode like a little boy who's taken the biscuits and has chocolate all around his mouth. When proven - they don't apologise, they are angry, angry at "mum" for catching them out and being so mean."

This is getting back to my opening post and I do think it may be right!

NothingOnTellyAgain do you think the use of porn is related to anger, I think it may be.

It was all over the news a year or so ago. Try Google?

I also encountered many formidably competent female analysts and police officers. It's a good thing they didn't think it was the 'responsibility of the menz' to sort out (rather than that of society - the majority of men being no more responsible for the actions of paedophiles than their female counterparts).

The menz????

OP- Iceland is the only country I can think of that is I the news a lot as a feminist nation!

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/9173543/Women-choose-different-partners-when-on-the-Pill.html
There are quite a few articles on it. Allegedly men can tell if a woman is at her most fertile too.
Wrt the male spaces thing, suicide prevention such as CALM acknowledge the unwillingness of men to talk through their problems. link It is just my hypothesis that male spaces help men to open up and talk, even if it's coded, or after twelve pints, or in a jokey way. There's plenty of anguish in some man to man talks, especially where the bloke is divorced or has a poor relationship.
I agree that it's their problem to solve. I agree that there isn't much impetus to change. The bloody Japanese parliament voted against banning "lolita hentai" FFS.
I'm just acknowledging what I see and naming it as a concern.

I dont disagree with anything telly says.

I don't know about whether the police are choosing to pursue those cases or not; but the overwhelming demand for porn isn't driven by women.

Given men have the most power, and wealth, in society; who is taking this action on behalf of society to address these woes? Men? Alrighty then, I'm satisfied with that.

do you think the use of porn is related to anger, I think it may be.
I know this wasn't directed at me, but:
Habitual use of porn is a means to an end. Visual stimulation, manual stimulation, relief. Clear browser history, give not a thought to the performers involved, feel slightly guilty, get on with the day. Chronic porn use is different, it's watching hours and hours of porn, "edging" close to orgasm, looking for more depraved stuff, getting bored of depraved stuff and looking for realistic stuff, voyeur cams, etc. There is so much porn out there, there's a thing called Rule 34: if it exists, there is porn of it. I'm not condoning the casual porn user but for those who are seeking help through nofap etc, their lives are ruined, their synapses are fried, their sexual response dulled, and it affects women too (in lesser numbers).It also affects women who are partnered with a (male) porn addict. Not only is he less interested in actual sex, he may suffer from "death grip" (anecdotally worse in circumcised men) and be unable to orgasm except by mangling his penis in his fist and pumping away furiously, a sensation and motion no female could replicate.
It's pretty poisonous stuff but i can't see how it is used in anger. It might cause anger, disgust at women (watching performers carry out debased scenes "for the money" warps minds) etc but no, I think most use it either as a means to an end, or in a compulsive way. I imagine there's a pretty clear age gap between the two groups too.

Turph "Wrt the male spaces thing" Men are not a species on their own.

I can see the link to men only spaces if they are sympathetic places where me could talk about feelings etc. Like the barber who is talking to people to prevent suicide.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/hairdresser-suicide-prevention-mental-health-tom-chapman-safe-space-torquay-a7644021.html

But simply being in an all male environment, like a sporting event or a drinking club, or a boys school, I am not sure that would necessarily help men.

Why would Japan ban pornography? I think banning pornography would help men a lot but I doubt anyone will do it. Since when have men, as a sex class, done what is good for them?

I do not know enough about porn to know exactly how it affects men, but I wonder if anger makes men use porn, and porn makes anger in men worse. In my limited knowledge, it does. But porn is a relatively new invention, perhaps linked to the older 'system' of prostitution, which I am sure has a similar function, although maybe for some not.

I'm kind of surprised men, who are supposedly thinking about sex a lot, need a visual stimulation. I am sure blind me can have sex. It just seems all too bloody simplistic to me. I don't think they need to see a film to have an orgasm, and if they do that seems very ineffective to me.

Porn is not new.

It's been around for a long time.

As in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Shunga (Japanese sexual art) dates back to at least the 1300s.

Italiangreyhound men don't talk about things that make them look weak in front of mixed company. In some cases they don't even talk to their partners about that kind of thing. Is it bloody stupid? Yes but that's how most men are.
Why would Japan ban cartoon paedophilic porn? Because it's beyond the pale for the rest of the world (in legal terms at least).
As for the use, men's sexual response is primarily to visual stimuli. That's how they are wired and it is different to us. Support groups advocate no masturbation at all, and then only without porn, to re-learn normal sexual response to potential or actual partners.

In terms of human evolution 1300 is not that far back. If it is drawing is it really porn, or erotic art? Not being goady, just asking.

Plus not sure how relevant porn is to the source of the anger.

Porn in it's current format is new >> available at the touch of a button, anything and everything you could think of right there, increasingly violent and debasing towards women (het porn), and being watched by boys from very very young ages

So, that is different for sure.

I think that the violence and degradation that are staples of modern porn are there because of the growing anger that men feel towards women, and in turn the dehumanisation of the women depicted increases the anger towards women IRL.

The net has facilitated angry men gettign together to be angry - MRAs, incels, red pillers, MGTOW and all the rest of it.

We are in the middle of a massive attempt to push back women's rights I think >> in some places it is succeeding and in others they have barely / not got them in the first place. Men all over the world are trying to reassert their dominance.

Even in the 70s from what I know you had the joy of sex and porn involved beardy men and bemuffed women having sex in a much more give and take way >> mainstream.

Throttling, anal, facials, slapping etc were pretty niche.

It's social, this change.

It has been brought about by the industry as they seek to give the customers more / new etc but for sure there aren' very many men who are saying OMG that's grim that poor woman I'm switching it off.

The grossest stuff is used by men as bonding material >> they watch on their phones together, laughing and "grossed out" at what the women on the screen are doing or having done to them.

• gang rape is a thing and in a smaller way men in groups acting togteher to humiliate / assault women in clubs and stuff, laughing together over her reaction

men bond over upsetting / hurting / degrading women. normal men. this is anger isn't it. or not anger >> dislike. they don't like us. and we're back to this push / pull >> they don't like us but they want us / need us. And that is what makes them angry

Yes, it's porn.

Would you call razzle (a magazine) porn?

The thing is though turph; they haven't actually banned it in manga form, and it's a bit more complex than you've implied.

There was an interesting programme by Stacey dooley recently about it. But Japanese sexual culture is a whole other thread...

www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/57eaaf23-0cef-48c8-961f-41f2563b38aa

It's worth a watch but I don't know if it's still on I player.

Porn is not new
Neither is food. However imagine if all food was free, could be delivered to you immediately and you could have anything you want. How many of us would have to be lifted out the house with a crane? Obviously not everyone, but then not everyone becomes a compulsive porn addict.
I remember looking at a porno mag back in the day. It was so exciting, and it was softcore (women posing naked). Hardcore porn films, depicting actual sex, were illegal in the UK until 2000, when they were allowed to be sold in sex shops only link

We're a long way from that now.
fightthenewdrug.org/10-porn-stats-that-will-blow-your-mind/

New Yorker article includes details of low wages for performers

the last actual prosecution of a major porn producer I know of - you need a strong stomach for this

What makes men angry with women?

Aggrieved entitlement.
You can test this assertion by telling a man no.

Baumederose I know, my point was they chose, in the Japanese parliament, to not ban it.
NothingOnTellyAgain you are totally right, and the social changes have damaged us, and been disastrous for young people. Girls are being made incontinent in the worst cases. It's revolting.

Aggrieved entitlement.
You can test this assertion by telling a man no.

This is excellent advice, particularly for women in new relationships but also for all of us.

men bond over upsetting / hurting / degrading women. normal men. this is anger isn't it. or not anger >> dislike.

Thinking about this, I wonder if this is more about the enjoyment of an exciting feeling of power, rather than anger, or even dislike. Men definitely bond over the excitement, power and group effort of a hunt - is this a perverted form of that, I wonder?

Yes. Being the alpha male with status is the ultimate wet dream.