Green Party statement continuation thread

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

Good point in this article in Left Foot Forward:

Challenor claims she did not know the ‘full extent’ of the crimes her father committed until conviction.

However, Aimee Challenor has been a Trustee of Coventry Pride since at least January 2016.

After it emerged that David Challenor volunteered for the charity in 2015 and 2016, Coventry Pride released a statement on Tuesday saying Trustees were made aware of criminal proceedings in late 2016

Aimee saying they didn't know the full extent of the crimes is weasel words. It doesn't give any idea what they actually knew, as not knowing some minor details while being aware of the charges is still not knowing the "full extent".

The legal system doesn't encourage long term remand for people who are awaiting trial. Custody time limits are quite short, so most offenders are bailed while awaiting trial. My understanding would be that he'd have to be considered extremely high risk of flight or further offenses to be remanded in that time.

With child sexual abusers, steps are taken to safeguard the victims and any other children they may come into contact with at home or via work. The offender would be removed from their home if there were children present, or would be forbidden from seeing family members with children (the family would be informed, in other words) and workplaces that could bring the offender into contact with children would also be informed of the risk the offender poses. In other words, if DC had had a record check to volunteer with the Scouts prior to his arrest, I would be very surprised if Scouting was not informed of his arrest by the police as part of their safeguarding precautions. The Greens are a different story, though.

They [trans activists] have seats on the Executive with portfolios, positions in the Young Greens and Green Women - and, more importantly the ear of the Leaders.

To quote Rose Of Dawn, "this is what co-option of a movement looks like". Rose was talking about Jess Bradley's anarcho-communist takeover of ATH, but the trans activist takeover of the Green Party also fits.

Hi all- I’m trying to follow-this just gets more and more horrifying. Was DC working with the scouts after his arrest? While awaiting trial for rape and torture? Jeeze if so I don’t think I will ever feel safe sending my kids to these kind of clubs again!

Pineapple, but this surely means that family members would have to have known about the investigation and pending trial. Given ACs age and those of her younger siblings, even if they were able to live at home from 16, once they aged out of the care system, they would have needed to know that they could not bring younger classmates home.

Needmoresleep
I agree, but what I would say also is that if someone accused of a crime like this can be bailed than how can that be policed. The children over 16 can’t be held responsible for keeping other kids out of the house. It makes no sense for him to have got bail. I don’t understand how this man was not seen as a threat to the safety of children. Especially his own children. This just sounds negligence.

I just can’t believe this thread it really frightens me.

Yes, the family would have had a hard time avoiding knowing what was going on if:

• DC lived with family members
• DC had to move out while awaiting trial to safeguard any resident children, OR
• any resident children were safeguarded by moving them out of the home so he could stay

This does NOT indicate anything about who the victim was. It is purely a matter of safeguarding ANY children even tangentially connected to a live child sexual abuse case.

...doesn't mean that there might not have been a failure in safeguarding on the police or other agency's part (and that could be an interesting question in itself), but that's what's supposed to happen.

He should not have been allowed out on bail in my opinion. I don’t know how anybody could let him out on bail in good conscience.

With the change from CRB to DBS checks (as a result of the red tape / political correctness gone mad brigade) the roles and activity stipulated for checks was reduced, so MPs / political candidates are not on the list - there's an article in the FT about it in relation to DV - www.ft.com/content/8cc8914c-7923-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

From my experience of working with volunteers the DBS refuses to do checks on people who do not meet their strict criteria in relation to the roles or regulated activity, so it is a much broader issue than whether or not the GP has done checks. I'm not clear that any political party does this.

That's a common reaction Carrots, but the police can't just hold anyone on remand unless they can convince a judge that they pose an immediate risk of offending. I don't know anything about the DC case outside what I've read in the media or here, so I don't know what information the police had on him and his likely behaviours when they charged him.

That article in Left Foot Forward is the sort of thing I'd have expected from The Guardian

I'm so disappointed in The Guardian.

Ultimately, as I said up-thread, they do a disservice to so many of us by leaving the narrative of this to the Right.

I'm really pleased to see that Left Foot Forward article.

HuffPost article January 13th 2017 by Aimee Challenor
"Three years ago, when I was sixteen years old, I took a huge step in my life: I went to prom. I went to prom, like hundreds of thousands of school leavers that year, and, just like so many others, I wore a dress to prom. That's how I came out as transgender to my conservative private secondary school.

Three years is both a very short time and an eternity. In those three years, I've grown, I've become a trustee of Coventry Pride, a registered charity, and been involved in organising our local LGBT+ celebration since 2015. I joined the Green Party, was elected chair of LGBTIQA+ Greens, and now find myself the equalities spokesperson for the party. I've grown. I've progressed. I've achieved. I am still growing."
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/aimee-challenor/trans-children-who-knows-best_b_14143156.html

28th August 2018 Coventry Pride Statement:
"Mr [David] Challenor volunteered for the Charity in 2015 and 2016 he assisted with event set up and take down, and designing some posters and leaflets. The Trustees were made aware of criminal proceedings being taken against Mr Challenor in November 2016. A directive was issued to those responsible for volunteer recruitment that Mr Challenor was not to be accepted as a volunteer at the Charity’s events and if he attended public events organised by the Charity he was monitored by the trustees. Mr Challenor no longer has any links with the Charity."

www.coventrypride.org.uk/2018/08/28/a-statement-from-the-trustees-of-coventry-pride/

from current thread, Andrew Gilligan The Times has also picked up on this fact:

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

He has just tweeted:

"This, by Coventry Pride, is really tricky for Aimee Challenor. She was a trustee at the time (Nov 2016) when the trustees were "made aware of criminal proceedings being taken against [her father]" and banned him. But she still used him as her agent in 2017 and 2018 elections".

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346800-Andrew-Gilligan-Sunday-Times-Challenor-Green-Party

'jailed for 12 weeks, suspended for 12 months' means that the potential jail time is twelve weeks. The suspension means that if any other offences are committed within the twelve months, the person will have the suspended sentence added on to any penalty for the additional offence.
Essentially it means 'keep your nose clean for twelve months or you will be in deep shit'.

R0wantrees

Thank you. Does that automatically update? I've sent further info on to the Twitter user which I suspect will be added

Very few offenders are released on bail now - as in there are no conditions placed on them. They are released under investigation.

www.gov.uk/government/news/28-day-pre-charge-bail-limit-comes-into-force

Has Gilligan been notified as to the lack of clarity about the sentence duration and whether it influences the status of TC to stand in the May election? (Not on Twitter.)

I would hope that the GP would respond to an enquiry from Gilligan.

I'm really curious about how they afforded a private school for Aimee when I read somewhere that DC hadn't worked since 2009.

PineappleSunrise, I get the police and courts can only function based on the fact that they run systems which may occasionally allow people like this through the net. However- in this case the crime is so depraved, that even if you take into consideration the notion of innocence before proven guilty, this person had to have presented a likely danger. Just based alone on the evidence of the loft still being the way it was described by the victim. I’d say nine out of ten people on the street wouldn’t have let this guy out. We know how high reoffending rates are for these kind of crimes.

Well, tbh... telling blatant lies and making demonstrably false statements, and not expecting anyone to notice that does tally with my impression of Aimee's intelligence.

Btw, cheers to popchyk for the new name inspiration