MN is a 'Hate group' apparently.

[KlutzyDraconequus]

Apologies for spoiling your Sunday, but i thought I'd best let you all know, according to some on an external site... Everyone here is part of a hate group..
I had no idea tbh.

I think there's a bit of talk of law suits.

. Am I late to the hate group meeting? Sorry! Sorry! I couldn't find my other jackboot, I think the dog took it.

Calling the police on MN? That makes me laugh.

I missed the memorandum and by-laws - apologies.

Is MN (or FWR) running 2 minute Hate, a Hate Morning, or a Hate Week - I'm loth to get it wrong.

Also, is there a video, something specific to hate, or are we just elderly, bitter, and hate All The Things All The Time as we firmly hate ourselves into the Wrong Side of History?

I hate wire coat hangers. Fuckers, all of them. And by wire coat hangers, I mean wire coat hangers, 'cos from where I am from, words mean what they've always meant

"...squeals.."
"...rabid mouth-frothing.."

That's quite a lot of contempt in your words India. Interesting choice, by the way.

Women are not to blame for the way you feel about yourself India.

Women are not to blame for the way any Transwoman feels about themselves.

Fab, isn't it, Datun? Every time a TRA howls about terrible, terrible MN more women turn up to find out what the fuss is about.

Yes, it's brilliant, prawn

They come for the "...vicious and mocking threads about trans people" and leave with TRAs calling women's understanding of biology "rabid mouth-frothing".

It's perfection.

Plus, visitors may find threads and posts by, or supporting, some of the transsexuals who TRAs are trying to silence elsewhere.

I would honestly never have found this forum without TRAs. Best thing I ever learned from including Twitter word salad in my diet.

It was a lawyer who said that MN was a hate group.

twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1027883838419214337

Yes, Errol. Fully supporting of women.

It's astonishing, isn't it, that someone who has gender dysphoria, might, (gasp), actually understand women's rights at the same time.

In some people's world women talking to each other about women and not centering men is hate.

It's sad that people think that not centering men's feelings is worthy of comment, let alone having to label it as hate.

^^ YY Zutt

LOL that MN is a hate group. I challenge them to point out a single instance where a single FWR post has called for hate.

But tbh I do tend to take a dislike to authoritarian, misogynistic, narcissistic, appropriative arseholery. However it identifies. And I’d say that’s a fairly normal rational human response though that most people feel too and is nothing to do with my MN habit.

Why am I not surprised at TRAs reductive idea that mothers talking are ‘a group’.
Of course TRAs don’t see mothers as individuals... don’t be ridiculous.

Mums are all the same group of sheeple- whereas TRAs are the special individuals with the zillion ways of describing how they identify and personalised pronouns that everyone else needs to live by.

So, we are like Nazis, Cruella DeVill, and the national front?
Wow!
Lol

Or like the plastics in Mean Girls?

Do they not realize that by drawing attention to MN feminists they are giving us power and influence? That they are directing anyone with doubts about transactivism or even curiosity to come see for themselves?

Presumably not. Well, more power to the fools, say I.

Interesting article by the lawyer linked above:
'Gender Recognition Certificates: Why the Feminists and the Trans Rights Activists Have got it Wrong'

concludes:
"Ultimately transgender persons should see the need for society to evolve as to understanding and acceptance (in many ways it already has); however, refusing to work with society to achieve a balance of rights, respecting everyone, is not the way forward. The feminist arguments lack credibility; however, the key for trans rights activists is to retain credibility. Not everyone who identifies under the transgender umbrella should be eligible to obtain a “GRC”. The provisions of the “GRA” are for changing sex in the eyes of the law and society. This should not be possible by filling in a form as if one is seeking revocation of a parking ticket. Such an idea trivialises the concept of a “GRC” and the profound consequences that being granted one has on an individual citizen.

Western liberal democracies have evolved to accept transgender persons as well as many others. The aim of the transgender person must be to demonstrate that the class is not a threat to society. This is done by balancing everyone’s rights and accepting that society, through its laws, must have some role in the regulation of who is classed as a man and as a woman. Transphobia is abhorrent; however, transgender persons can win the argument with informed discussion, public education, respect, and a tolerance of those who do not agree with the concept.

The feminists and the trans rights activists have both got it wrong. It is in the interests of society as a whole that the tone of the debate rapidly improves, that feminists stop stating as fact misconceptions in the law, and that trans rights activists realise that legal gender recognition is not just a case of obtaining a new birth certificate."

judicialcat.blogspot.com/2018/08/gender-recognition-certificates-why.html

from about the author (above)
"Stephanie is a male to female transgender person holding a Gender Recognition Certificate. She is a Bachelor of Laws and has been in legal professional practice since 2008. Stephanie practices in employment law and regularly appears in the Employment Tribunal. In 2012 she was granted a special right of audience in the High Court to represent a defendant in the case of Hardy v Jones & Others. Stephanie has appeared on BBC News in her previous legal gender to discuss the Royal Bank of Scotland computer crash of 2012 and regularly makes contributions on radio. She has written for both the London Evening Standard and the Daily Star."

is she a lawyer?

I suppose it's a shock to the system, stumbling across a social media area that isn't a steaming pile of vile misogyny and women are allowed to talk, unsupervised. Positively regressive, dontchaknow.

Just to make clear, India Willoughby's article was from April, it was written just after the interview with Justine Roberts and Julia Hartley-Brewer. India also at this point had done a volte-face and emboldened by her new Twitter friends Gooliana and Mimmymum, was also embracing self-id (see article for explanation).

She has in recent weeks been on daytime TV taking a more nuanced approach. Unfortunately no-one has yet to ask her about this article.

The interview with Julia H-B was just after Justine Roberts had gone public in the Sunday Times about how TRAs were trying to shut down debate and that MN would try to uphold free civil speech:

Why am I not surprised at TRAs reductive idea that mothers talking are ‘a group’. Of course TRAs don’t see mothers as individuals... don’t be ridiculous.

Indeed. And some of us on Mumsnet aren't even mums...

Stephanie is a male to female transgender person holding a Gender Recognition Certificate.

How unaccountable that, without me saying anything (tho' that was my instinctive reaction to such a laws of misogyny breaching accusation like terming MN a "hate group"), my deeply unobservant DH knew that at first glance at the Twitter photograph.

In one month, 177,000 people accessed mumsnet using the feminist boards alone.

This is so amazing. I don't think there's anything in the world like Mumsnet, allowing so many women from all around the world to get together and talk.

It's like an enormous consciousness raising group and it's an absolute delight to me.

Forget 'woke' - it's such a pleasure and a privilege to be able to come where women are 'awake', and so smart and funny and angry and rational and just all around excellent.

The power of mumsnet is the power of women talking to other women and it's awesome

Mumsnet is 'by parents, for parents' but has always been inclusive of anyone who wants to post here within the talk guidelines.

Stephanie is a male to female transgender person holding a Gender Recognition Certificate.

Whod'a thunk it.

ErrolTheDragon

I know - I wasn't being a smartarse or snippy, just wanted to get it in writing for the occasional "visitors".