MN is a 'Hate group' apparently.

[KlutzyDraconequus]

Apologies for spoiling your Sunday, but i thought I'd best let you all know, according to some on an external site... Everyone here is part of a hate group..
I had no idea tbh.

“Actually there are 12 million unique users per month on mumsnet”

I stand corrected - I had no idea it was so many!
And most of them blissfully ignorant of the howls of “Transphobia!” by the Twits

They're furious because they expect us to be good little cis women. All domesticated & fluffy & falling over ourselves to be self-sacrificing & inclusive.

India W expected MN to be "lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters. A sort of online This Morning minus Phil and Holly." India W was somewhat horrified to find that wasn't the case.

So it's bad enough that we don't meet TRA expectations. But it's worse still when they realise that even after they've told us what they expect of us, we still don't give a fuck. How dare we?

This could have all been so different. Trans Activists could have found themselves amongst friends and even allies had they not furiously tried to re define what a Woman is; had they not tried to rewrite biology.

I'm pretty certain that most, if not many Women would have supported them with thought and care. Talk about a monumental error on their part. Threats of violence and abusive language is bullying behaviour and I have never, NEVER read anything even remotely comparable on MN or on social media for that matter. As for literal violence, that's bollocks. Some folk need to just grow-up, take a deep breathe and get on with living.

You are right Prawn. I discovered MN when Owen Jones (who I used to admire - I'm better now) mentioned that it was a hotbed of wrong-think on this issue. I came to have a look and found wit, intelligence, passion and clarity. And cheering fuck-offery. This type of publicity would be worth paying for.

I have been on MN for years. To my shame I only discovered FWR because I couldn't find anyone to share my discomfort at Caitlyn Jenner being awarded Woman of The Year

Transplants, same. I'm coming up to about 10 years here now I think and a regular lurker on FWR. This issue caught my eye about 5 years ago on FWR and my initial reaction was to protect the weak and vulnerable so I felt that FWR was hugely unfair and discriminatory.

I kept reading. I started asking questions. For a while, it's all I did and I peaked shortly afterwards.

This topic, years ago, was often met with sheer hostility and contempt amongst so many other MN'ers and I used to worry and shy away and get anxious that so many women were spectacularly missing the dangers.

The tide has turned I feel and there are more and more women who are questioning the whole movement.

It isn't phobic or bigotry to want to defend Women's Rights.

I have zero fucks to give about idiots who call Mumsnetters a hate group.

The TRAs are helping to make more people realise why feminism is still necessary. More aware of plain old misogyny, eg from the woke dudebros. More aware of pernicious gender stereotypes and their impact.

I no longer give a single solitary fuck if I'm called transphobic.

Yep. No fucks to give.

When are these buck eejits going to grow up and stop being such big babies? They're a complete joke. But a stale one that has got really old.

BiologyisReal said:

TRAs have redefined hate. Easy to do. After all they are trying to redefine the word "woman". And if you can do that, then no word in the dictionary is sacred

THIS ^^

We're also goady and say things 'not in the spirit of things'

👁
Under His Eye

I don't get what they think they gain by advertising MN in this way. Like, they claim we are a hate group, people come here to read the hate and see how bad we are, and it makes t hem look a little deranged as there is no hate (except for the odd threads when TRAs join to pretend to be MN members, to screenshot themselves as more 'proof' of nonexistant hate)

Its surely an own goal to send more people here, when the women here (not including myself in this mind, lol) are so knowledgeable on the issue and are so good at putting their point across

Mums clearly are terrifying. First they become pregnant, which is clearly prejudicial to men who should be doing everything. Next they parade around our streets, cities and workplaces with their vile, non-inclusive biology on full display. Then they multiply and many of them use their (non-inclusive) physical characteristics to nurture and sustain their offspring. Then they gather together in secret hate/play groups to talk amongst themselves about that (male-exclusionary) multiplying process. Finally they get online and, not just talking about their offspring, have the temerity to talk about money, jobs, relationships and politics...shut them down now, someone!

Vickyyyy, the twitter TRAs are so used to folk capitulating to them, they cannot conceive that Mumsnet HQ would not immediately shut us down - that, or lose all their advertising revenue.

I mean, L Madigan only has to write a letter, and people (women) are suspended from the Labour Party.

Dr Harroooooop, that joke on legs, only has to tweet, and women's jobs are threatened.

They can't believe we're being allowed to do this. They really do think we should not be allowed - I've seen at least 2 people on twitter saying they've called the police about Mumsnet. It's that ridiculous. They really do need to calm down.

ShotsFired i've never seen that before! Thank you it will be up in my sewing room soon 😁 I always add pockets.

The misogyny required to be shocked by women having both babies & brains

India W expected MN to be "lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters. A sort of online This Morning minus Phil and Holly." India W was somewhat horrified to find that wasn't the case.

Extracts from the opinion piece India Willoughby wrote for Pink News in April 2018:
'Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life'

"...Mumsnet – are hounding trans women in the same way Hitler went about stigmatising Jewish people.

Yeah, what is supposed to be a family-friendly parenting site has it’s claws out for the trans community.

And it all feels very orchestrated.

Every Sunday, regular as clockwork, I wake up to tabloid tales warning that society as we know it will end if trans women are further accommodated into normal society. Deviant, dirty sex monsters. Mentally-ill, deluded and dangerous. A cult leading youngsters astray. It’s like being back in the 1970s with the News of the World.

Even trans kids are seen as fair game. Radio hosts warning of assaults and unwanted pregnancies because trans girls have been allowed into the Girl Guides.

What’s the problem? Girls have been in the Scouts since 1991 and the world is still spinning.

And now we have groups of hardliners who will never accept trans women on any level, travelling the country, fanning the flames of hate.

I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too.

There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians.

As I say, take a look for yourself. Trans groups are more than happy to debate any subject Justine or her murky corner of the web wants – but the material on the site isn’t a discussion. It’s vicious, nasty persecution

Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia is fully deserved. Hardliners openly strategise ways to make life tougher for trans people: Passengers warned not to travel on sleeper trains because they might end up in the same sleeping berth as a woman who’s trans. Support gathered to stop trans women being allowed on Labour’s all-women shortlists. National meeting organised where they can clap and cheer their hatred.

It’s all very similar to the way the National Front used to operate.

I’m sure most people who use the site are decent folk. They want nothing to do with the rabid mouth-frothing going on by so-called “feminists.” (continues)

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

The only "hate" group is the one whose members come out with "die nazi terf" etc. who abuse women who won't accept penis, etc. etc.

But this is what happens when you play the Oppression Olympics and allow people to self define as the most oppressed and allow the more oppressed to abuse the "privileged".

Brilliant article on this:

quillette.com/2018/08/18/the-forgotten-story-of-how-punching-up-harmed-the-science-fiction-fantasy-world/

Put 'Mumsnet' into a Twitter search and look at latest comments.

I've seen at least 2 people on twitter saying they've called the police about Mumsnet. It's that ridiculous. They really do need to calm down.

Holy shit. Called the police? That's preposterous, ToetoToe. But I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

They can't believe we're being allowed to do this. They really do think we should not be allowed - I've seen at least 2 people on twitter saying they've called the police about Mumsnet. It's that ridiculous. They really do need to calm down.

FFS.

Yep,they don't like us, hate us in fact, because we aren't at all like the image they have of what women are actually like, and we throw a spotlight on that fact which makes them feel very uncomfortable. It's because deep down they know saying you are a woman will never, ever make it so.

Never.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals

Interesting choice of words, the contempt is clear. I wonder if any male CEO's squeal?

Hate? What hate? I thought MN was a support group? I love MN. It makes me laugh, it makes me sad, it can shock me, but it doesn't make me hate anyone.

Calling the police on Mumsnet?😂😂🤣 Mad, quite mad.