MN is a 'Hate group' apparently.

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Apologies for spoiling your Sunday, but i thought I'd best let you all know, according to some on an external site... Everyone here is part of a hate group..
I had no idea tbh.

Oddly enough, MN FWR is one of the few places that I have tentative conversations about the origins of fascism and whether we're currently living through flashing red lights and warning klaxons.

Obviously, tho', I completely misunderstood. I have become the thing I abhor - a participant in a hate group, probably fascistic to boot.

I deplore myself.

It's a bit like the men who blame MN for the breakup of their marriage. No self awareness at all.

Women talking together gives us information and therefore power. Lots of men prefer us isolated.

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Women talking together gives us information and therefore power.

Have to shut us up.

It’s a definite sign that one’s argument lacks any intellectual merit, if one has to resort to emotional nonsense and accusations, wouldn’t you agree, Stephanie? Oh, wait....

A hate group? Stephanie should look around a bit more at the variety of topics covered here. Might get some good blusher tips on Style & Beauty.

Women talking together gives us information and therefore power. Lots of men prefer us isolated.

So true, I've said so myself. I've watched many attacks on MN over the years because we are (tend to be) politically motivated women. A lot of people (yes, penis bearers) don't like that.

When they find out we're not just talking about nappies - well, it's all a bit dangerous isn't it? Must be demonised, attacked, shut down.

We can't have a safe place for women to speak openly on the the interweb, can we? Interweb is not for women. And as for those women who choose not to centre the rights of men in their politics - well... hate group.

Sometimes people can be aggressive and mean here.
Things go badly very quickly specially if you don't agree.
Some topic like Brexit guarantees abuse if your views are opposite.

How bizarre eh? Because people are so lovely, friendly and civilised elsewhere on the web

I actually think that the over claiming of hate and transphobia is pernicious.

Trans people are often marginalised and discriminated against. As a result, they can be over sensitive to comments and behaviours, viewing them as hate fuelled or discriminatory when this isn’t the case. It is incumbent upon those wanting to support trans people (indeed all people) to help them to see when opposing views are not hate fuelled / phobic.
I often work with young people who interpret being bumped in to in a corridor as ‘bullying’ because they are sensitive as a result of genuine bullying. They are encouraged to think about such instances as ‘that may have been intentional, it may also have been an accident’.
I have yet to come across a TRA trying to reassure trans people that many of the views they disagree with are based on people thinking sex is really important, rather than a hatred of trans people.
Of course, this is because they are trying to obfuscate facts and the trump card is trying to prevent others from stating them for fear of being called a bigot.
I am not on Twitter, but if I was I would call out this irresponsible behaviour. Surely, if there is such high risk of suicide, supporters should be helping vulnerable trans people to see that ‘anti trans’ opinions are not actually anti trans, and no ill is intended.

Women talking about the rights of women? Women talking about female biology? How very dare we? Don't we know that MN is exclusively for the discussion of parking and cleaners?

And to think we have the brass neck to discuss child transition. On a parenting site? Nothing could be more shocking.

It tickles me that if TRAs took control of MN they'd first get rid of Feminism but then, very soon after, they'd realize the site is awash with female biology. Female biology that needs to be silenced. Thread after thread in which men or TW aren't mentioned at all - just breast feeding, periods and other transphobic content.

It tickles me that if TRAs took control of MN they'd first get rid of Feminism but then, very soon after, they'd realize the site is awash with female biology. Female biology that needs to be silenced. Thread after thread in which men or TW aren't mentioned at all - just breast feeding, periods and other transphobic content.

All those threads passing a forum version of the Bechdel test. How very dare these uppity women talk about themselves in this exclusionary manner?

Dangerous women indeed. Get sewing on your dangerous coats! (literally or metaphorically!)

You're right, MsBeaujangles, in that TRAs interpret nearly everything as transphobic. I no longer give a single solitary fuck if I'm called transphobic.

I remember reading a piece years back by a TW in Huffington Post in which she complained about someone taking her arm to cross the road (I think that was the situation). She was outraged at the lack of respect and said no one would ever do such a thing to a woman. I don't remember leaving a response (which I always do) so perhaps they weren't taking comments. But it struck me that what some TW identify as transphobia is just being treated like a woman.

Women do tend to hate misogyny in its many and varied forms, and being compelled to STFU.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

TRAs have redefined hate. Easy to do. After all they are trying to redefine the word "woman". And if you can do that, then no word in the dictionary is sacred.

I think there are about 20,000 members on here, with over 100 boards to choose from.

The vast majority couldn’t care less about the trans debate one way or the other. They don’t even think about it.

There is no trans hate or trans phobia here. It simply suits certain factions to create a fictious war in order to stir up trouble. Most of the people retwitting accusations about Mumsnet have never even accessed the site and don’t bother to check what’s been said: they naively believe what they are told.

From mummies with cupcakes, bunting and Boden, to a nest of vipers, to a hate group. They don't know what to make of us women, do they?

I am not on Twitter, but if I was I would call out this irresponsible behaviour. Surely, if there is such high risk of suicide, supporters should be helping vulnerable trans people to see that ‘anti trans’ opinions are not actually anti trans, and no ill is intended.

You would think, if they really cared and didn't have any other reason for perpetuating it.

It tickles me that if TRAs took control of MN they'd first get rid of Feminism but then, very soon after, they'd realize the site is awash with female biology. Female biology that needs to be silenced. Thread after thread in which men or TW aren't mentioned at all - just breast feeding, periods and other transphobic content.

This. They'd pop up in every conception or pregnancy or prolapse thread saying "friendly reminder, not all people who have a uterus are women. Genuine mistakes are OK, you can ask if you're not sure. But deliberately transphobic language won't be tolerated"

"friendly reminder, not all people who have a uterus are women. Genuine mistakes are OK, you can ask if you're not sure. But deliberately transphobic language won't be tolerated"

Maybe even persuade MNHQ to put that in a helpful sticky on the top of every relevant board and MNHQ would explain circumstances under which they might tolerate it but also might choose to delete it, "going forward".

It was helpful people calling Mumsnet a dangerous hate group which prompted me to have a read of this place. Very kind of them.

Tanith

I think there are about 20,000 members on here, with over 100 boards to choose from.

Actually there are 12 million unique users per month on mumsnet.

In one month, 177,000 people accessed mumsnet using the feminist boards alone. A 12 fold increase on the same month in the previous year.

Such is the publicity that TRAs keep giving us.

The policing of the biology threads would probably be much less concern about people with uteruses who choose not to identify as women than concern about the feelings of people who identify as women but don't have uteruses.

So talking about uteruses becomes hurtful and upsetting, not kind, you shouldn't do it. Biological essentialism. Implication that a particular kind of biology is relevant to being female and a part of the female experience, which is exclusionary and erasing. Or something. But at the same time enforcing this is not erasing or upsetting in any way to the people with uteruses who need to talk to other people with uteruses for advice, support, understanding and sanity, because it's a shared experience only other uterus havers can understand.

The question would be there as it is here: why would people who are not experiencing the issues that the people on the threads have and want to talk about, go looking for those threads and read them, and demand moderator support to help with their feelings of entitlement to police other people's language and define the parameters of debate to fit their personal needs and comfort levels, while expecting everyone else to obey and service them at the cost of their own needs, reality, thoughts and lived experience?

In one month, 177,000 people accessed mumsnet using the feminist boards alone. A 12 fold increase on the same month in the previous year.

Such is the publicity that TRAs keep giving us.

Fab, isn't it, Datun? Every time a TRA howls about terrible, terrible MN more women turn up to find out what the fuss is about. So many women have realised that t
TRA ideology and Self ID threatens the rights of women and girls precisely because of transactivist attacks on Twitter.

To anyone arriving here for the first time, please take your time. Read and absorb. Ask questions. We have nothing to hide.

We are able to support our arguments using facts and reason. The transactivists are not, which is why they rely on silencing tactics and accusations of transphobia.