Looks like Grindr are setting up a trans version... but the name...

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

They've chosen is "kindr".

Given the disturbing underground usage of the term "kind" is that not an odd choice?

They've not said exactly what the new app is but from the video it does imply it's trans-focused.

It would make more sense to have a set of ticky-boxes "I am..." and another set "I am interested in..." and then use the ticked boxes to match people.

That's what I was thinking. On the other hand, even putting the options in might prompt the feeling of exclusion/racism.

Either way. It's a good idea to try and reduce racism. But sexual racism is something different, I feel.

I think, yet again, that racism is being appropriated. To make a point.

It's a ridiculous name for an app, or a campaign. Far too many undercurrents and associations - it takes a five second google search to recognise that.

Which makes me wonder why I'm not employed as a research assistant for new apps, because I think I'd be ace at it.

Back in 1999 I watched in utter astonishment that Lucasfilm had gone out of its way, at considerable effort and expense, to include in that year's most anticipated film a character based on racist stereotypes.

At the point I realised that there can be no end to the blindness and stupidity of committees.

So have I got this right? Kindr is the non racist one, therefore they are acknowledging that Tindr is the racist app?

And they had no idea whatsoever that kinder means child? None of them went to or have kids in kindergarten?

Yeah, right.

So have I got this right?

Sorry but it seems not. As pinknews would have it, grindr users can be racist and grindr is looking to launch a version where the racism is filtered out. Apparently.

Sorry Grindr not tindr

If you want to be/date a racist go to Grindr. If you don’t, go to kindr.

Let's just say that this isn't being run by branding genuises.

Well, for the people coming from Twitter - this isn't some Mumsnet conspiracy: there are a number of comments under Grindr's original tweet commenting on the poor choice of name.

This thread isn't about the concept at all (although as others have pointed out it's a pretty flawed concept to create an app that filters out racism because your original app apparently can't) it's about the choice of name, which seems inappropriate for a hook-up app whichever way you interpret it.

I have to say, I immediately read this as 'kinder' as in to rhyme with 'grinder'. But yes, once someone said there was a problem I quickly realised the German 'kinder' association. Especially because we also have 'Tinder' which rhymes with that.

A bad choice I would say. Couldn't they have come up with something else?

Also, just seen the tagline

'It's time to play nice'?

Eeeeeeeeeek!

A great endorsement here

I can't help but see it as a power play. There's an obvious and undeniable connection to paedophilia, both in the name and the slogan's wording ('play'). But if you make it, you're a transphobic bigot. Feels like we've been baited.

And aside from that, 'sexual racism' is not a thing. No-one owes you a diversity shag.

Why is it well done to grindr? Its the exact opposite! They are having one app for all the 'other' to go where racism is not allowed, therefore one where it is? No racism on kindr but if you are a racist try out the original grindr instead. One for white, slim people? Tackling racism would surely be to ban it from their app in the first place?

Public Service Announcement:

This thread is one of those that appears to be attracting a lot of reports leading to deleted posts. We might have a "moderation by twitter" event going on.

What will happen is that people will remove banned language from profiles but still either convey the same message in code or else reject the people they don't want further down the line. Banning language doesn't make a white man want sex with an asian one.

I'm also thinking that letting assholes out themselves as assholes early on benefits the wider community. If someone's profile says "no fats", I'm not going to cry, I'm going roll my eyes and block that profile because even if I was thin, I wouldn't want to date a judgey twat like that.

I’m curious how a non-discriminatory dating app would work - does it make random matches of people who are then morally obliged to have sex?

There is no such thing as discriminatory dating preferences. Having sex with people from other races doesn't make you Ghandi. Look at the inter-racial porn - look at Latina porn. It is the most racist material on the internet. You can't prove you're not bigoted by having sex with someone. In fact - the opposite can be the case if you fetishe the person because of their race. To pretend that you don't see race or it does not factor into your attraction to someone is a lie. You don't get a cookie for having sex with a black dude that's one of the most patronizing and RACIST concepts out there. Who wants a pity fuck? The suggestion that this makes you kindr?

I'm sorry but I can't stop seeing kinder when I see that word now - WHY did they choose that name?

That has to be a wind up surely?

As other people have said, the whole 'kinder' thing is creepy when it comes to dating.
I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone dating me out of 'kindness'. I'd only want someone who is genuinely interested.
Anyone who's not bothered if someone isn't attracted to them and happy to be dated out of 'kindness', is showing that they don't really care about other people's feelings or boundaries as long as they get sex/attention. Creepy and entitled as hell.

Also, still waiting for anyone to give a fuck about the endless harassment and abuse women face on dating apps, which they could do easily by banning users who send repeat abuse or dick pics.
Same with the racism. If it's a problem, they need to deal with it in the app by banning users who send racist messages or abuse.
But they're not doing that, instread it's all about telling people to be 'kinder' and date those they're not interested in.
Again, creepy and entitled. Yuck.

Grindr users are apparently very upset about the 'fatphobia' and 'femmephobia' as well as 'transphobia' (which is gay men not wanting to shag female transmen as far as I can tell)

Gay men on hook up apps tend to be much more upfront about what they are looking for - male socialisation and entitlement is a thing after all. I don't get what this app is for though. Is it for the fat and feminine gay men as well as the female ones to all hook up with each other? Or is it to encourage all gay men to use to be open to the fat, feminine and female gay men?? It's a totally bizarre concept.

I know it's also meant to address racism but 'BME grindr' is just such a bizarre concept I can't get my head round it.

Having sex with people from other races doesn't make you Ghandi.

Hahaha!

I just don’t get it, period. Telling people they can’t have preferences, however grim you may find their preferences, just doesn’t work. You can’t police who somebody shags.

As for the name, well...I’d be expecting a free cheapo plastic toy upon sign-up. Grim.

Who do they actually expect to use the app?

You can’t police who somebody shags.

I've seen incels advocate that any woman with a "sexual market value" below a certain value should be mandated by the govt to have a date each week with a single man allocated to her by said govt. This idea that you can police who someone shags (because, let's be honest, that's what these mandatory dates are expected to lead to) is incel "logic".