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Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

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BarrackerBarmer · 09/08/2018 13:20

www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-appoints-sue-pascoe-as-advisor-on-inclusion-x

Sue Pascoe, who 4 years ago was Graham, and who said "that while a man, he was the embodiment of the all-action, red-bloodied alpha male."
Of course, by 2015, this evolved to "'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Perhaps those teenage girl years have been outgrown now that Pascoe is 58. Here's hoping.

I'm not convinced this will result in a better proportion of those of us who are female being represented though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

Wouldn't it be nice if some of the recent 'inclusivity' appointments actually included women? By which I mean, the old fashioned ACTUALLY underrepresented, female type human.

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terryleather · 09/08/2018 16:11

What infuriates me is pretending it's anything other than what it is. And I never will.

I stand with you Datun.

hackmum · 09/08/2018 16:13

Has Little OJ shared his thoughts yet? I always have the faint hope that there will eventually be a case that pushes him over the edge. Obviously it's not going to be Jess "penis" Bradley but it might be Sue "master of foxhounds" Pascoe.

Channel 4 is publicly-owned (though not publicly-funded). Does that mean it's worth complaining about this decision?

happygolurkey · 09/08/2018 16:14

'Master of the Hunt'!!! jolly ho! good to see that, along with the exclusive boys school educated Munroe Bergdof and Lily Madigan, and Free Mason lodge master Edward Lord, we now have another representative for the down trodden and oppressed transgender community up there championing their cause.

Melamin · 09/08/2018 16:15

Living your life in a fantasy, whether sexually motivated or not, is never going to end well.

I've know middle aged men leave their family and set up with an OW in America after one meeting and an internet relationship, buy a sports car where you have to pay extra for the steering wheel (I know) before losing his job and scudding off to another woman, present a wife of 20 odd years with the option of staying in an open marriage whilst he has affairs with multiple women (and by that I mean a lot in anyone's book). They just seem to feel entitled to something more, and leave the job half done with the DC.

Datun · 09/08/2018 16:15

People absolutely know. Cross dressing isn't, and never had been, a secret.

It's almost been considered a fairly benign, quite British, fetish. Albeit furtive and a little grubby. The sort of thing that balding bank managers get up to when the wife is up the shops.

What it has never been considered is aspirational, brave, stunning, or the embodiment of being a woman.

It's just that most people don't have to think about it all. Until they do.

LangCleg · 09/08/2018 16:18

It's just that most people don't have to think about it all. Until they do.

This.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 16:18

Sue Pascoe's parliamentary evidence:
"All my treatment was in line with Indian laws and regulations and safeguards, but it was also entirely in line with the World Health Organization’s standards of care for transgender patients, which is a synthesis of all the best practices around the world and is significantly different from the NHS guidelines.

I am very pleased with what happened and the reality is I had no choice. If I had had to wait for two and a half years to five years, I would not have made it. I know so many transgender people who, at one point in their lives, have attempted suicide. The figures are shocking: between 30% and 70%, dependent upon what other issues you face. I sit in a category that has a 70% suicide rate, so I am very pleased to be here. I did whatever it took to get my operation done in a timely basis to go forward with my life"

One is that, for the rest of my life, one of the things that I would really like to do is try to help other transgender people; I am in the process of establishing a charity called Gender Care UK to try to get donations to help pay for people’s operations and get past the pragmatic problems that we have in the NHS. I was looking for a platform to get some publicity and talk about transgender issues and Gender Care UK. I arranged a press release with a media consultant and ended up with press all over the world. I did not really like being called a “foxy lady” in the Sun; I quite liked being called a “dead ringer” for Caitlyn Jenner in the Mirror, but I took control of it. I approved the press release before it went out and, to date, everything that has happened around me has been hugely positive."

Sue Pascoe launched Gender Care UK Charity in September 2015 at Miss Transgender UK
www.facebook.com/Gcareuk-606464232829538/

"A big thank you to Miss Transgender UK and OLMEC The Premier Transgender Surgery Institute for their support of Gender Care UK"

"The Prizes

The winner of Miss Transexual UK 2015 will receive a prize of £5000 cash

the first prize will be presented by Sue Pascoe representing OMELC the premier transgender surgery institute

Whats more, we were delighted to announce that today, Sue is launching the gender care charity, created to help disadvantaged transgender people get financial and emotional support with the aim of helping them to come home to their true identities . Helping them to be the best that they can be and paving the way forwards to a life of truth, and fulfilment .

The winner will be awarded a voucher for full gender correction surgery in india inclusive of all hospital , travel and accommodation cost worth over £10,000"

The info at Charities Commission is a bit confusing as the CIO document doesn't seem available
CIO - FOUNDATION Registered 22 Sep 2016
Sue Pascoe is listed as trustee on the year end document and as the public address but not under the 'people' trustees section.
GCAREUK
Income and expenditure
for the period from 22 September 2016 to 31 March 2017
As per the Trustees report, the Charity was financially dormant during the period ended 31 March 2017.
Any costs incurred were paid for by the Trustees personally.
No Balance Sheet has been prepared as no transactions have taken place.

beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1169316&subid=0

The Facebook is active but I can't see the website

Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion
Datun · 09/08/2018 16:18

Master of the Hunt'!!! jolly ho! good to see that, along with the exclusive boys school educated Munroe Bergdof and Lily Madigan, and Free Mason lodge master Edward Lord,

... and Cambridge educated Jesse Bradley.

You honestly couldn't make it up.

iamawoman · 09/08/2018 16:19

Feeling like a teenage girl is part of the sexual thrill though isn't it. Some of the ex wives need to go public on these agp males....

stillathing · 09/08/2018 16:20

I've also had my post deleted. It's a bit upsetting and I'm not really sure why. I expressed finding it offensive that a middle aged person who had been socialised and gone through puberty as a male bodied individual could claim to be experiencing female teenage puberty. My experience of puberty was marked by the various intrusions of men.

Ereshkigal · 09/08/2018 16:20

What a surprise...middle aged white men wheedling their way into positions they have done fuck all to deserve.

Wheedling their way in after they have enjoyed all the power and advantage and privilege a white man can expect.

happygolurkey · 09/08/2018 16:22

Has Little OJ shared his thoughts yet? I always have the faint hope that there will eventually be a case that pushes him over the edge
I keep hoping too hackmum. I know it's an unpopular thing to say round here but i've always had a lot of time for him. i'm disappointed that he seems blinkered on this. i would expect him to support trans cause, of course (as i do) but I would have thought he would be more sympathetic to the effects on women

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placemats · 09/08/2018 16:22

I have never understood cross dressing seeing as I, a woman, who is an adult human female, have always worn trousers, t shirts, shirts, a tie when in school, brogues, big knickers - aka boxer shorts. Why, when I wear a dress, am I not seen then as cross dressing?

IAmInsignificunt · 09/08/2018 16:23

What about women and girls?

SlothSlothSloth · 09/08/2018 16:24

We must move in very different circles! Apart from a couple of wokesters I would say the exact opposite.

Yes I think I do move in very “woke” circles. Often painfully so. But there’s really no middle ground where I live; the only generally leftwing people here are identity politics types. Radical feminism is definitely not a thing here!

I do agree the majority of the population wouldn’t really see this person as a woman, but I don’t think they would see the situation for what it is either, I.E. a glaring example of misogyny and male privilege. They’d probably just think it was a bit weird, at most.

Ereshkigal · 09/08/2018 16:26

do agree the majority of the population wouldn’t really see this person as a woman, but I don’t think they would see the situation for what it is either, I.E. a glaring example of misogyny and male privilege. They’d probably just think it was a bit weird, at most.

Totally agree with that.

AssortedPhenomena · 09/08/2018 16:26

'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

They just can’t help giving themselves away.

Ereshkigal · 09/08/2018 16:27

With lies like that this person is not going last long. What with that and the blatant pretence over the word contagion. Too arrogant.

Give Sue a break, Datun. Just a teenager, after all.

AccioWine · 09/08/2018 16:28

With lies like that this person is not going last long. What with that and the blatant pretence over the word contagion. Too arrogant.

Well, you'd think Datun, but it hasn't done for any of the others so far...

Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Why aren't people seeing this?? As a pp said, "are we crazy??".

Oscarino · 09/08/2018 16:28

I knew with pretty much certainty that if I tried to come out when I was a partner in PricewaterhouseCoopers or in Andersen, that would probably be the end of my career. I had to wait for the latter part of my life to make those transitions

Sue didn’t transition because there would have been a financial cost. Sue waited until Sue felt the time was right - after a successful career and a long marriage.

Yet we are constantly told that waiting is impossible, that children who are not allowed to transition as early as possible will be destroyed- their lives will be not worth living and they are at huge risk of suicide.

This is another example of what is perhaps most disturbing about this movement- the way in which adults retain their rights to make choices which suit them while pushing for children to be set on a path which effectively removes the ability to make reasoned choices.

Datun · 09/08/2018 16:28

I do agree the majority of the population wouldn’t really see this person as a woman, but I don’t think they would see the situation for what it is either, I.E. a glaring example of misogyny and male privilege. They’d probably just think it was a bit weird, at most.

I agree with that because most people don't see male privilege, male or female.

But they will see a middle-aged male bodied person wearing women's clothes, and they will make a connection.

They still won't really care, until they are vilified for not agreeing that this person is a biological woman and belongs in their daughter's changing room.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 16:28

Sue Pascoe witness evidence: data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/oral/23159.html:

(extract)
"Once I had my passport, my medical records got changed. It was really quite nice to get a letter from the NHS asking if I wanted to have a cervical cancer test—bizarre."

"One of the worst experiences, though, was when I came back from India having had my operation... I was sent by my GP for two days into Leeds General Infirmary and despite my medical records being changed, despite everything at my GP being female, because I had been to the hospital as Graham they had me in as male. They refused to change it in the system and here I was, I had had my operation and I was really upset, and I argued very strongly about being discharged with male papers. Anyway, that caused quite a stir and then all my records everywhere in the system were changed to female, and I have never had any problem since."

happygolurkey · 09/08/2018 16:29

I've also had my post deleted. It's a bit upsetting and I'm not really sure why. I expressed finding it offensive that a middle aged person who had been socialised and gone through puberty as a male bodied individual could claim to be experiencing female teenage puberty. My experience of puberty was marked by the various intrusions of men
you speak the truth stillathing - this is it exactly.

Wheedling their way in after they have enjoyed all the power and advantage and privilege a white man can expect
yes Ereshkigal

placemats · 09/08/2018 16:29

You might well be buried as a female Sue. However, your skeleton will be seen as male. You might be seen as a trans woman but you won't be classified as female.

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