As I was saying about the police.....

[Winniesalot]

Wtf is "misgendering"?! Genuinely have no clue what this might be and whatever it is was totally and utterly non-intentional.

To those who doubted - this is 100% genuine.

To those who thought I was being rude that night - I'd like to make the point that nothing I said was directed at the person. I was making genetic statements for the purpose of conversation, not carrying out a personal attack on one person.

If this stays up then I will post a screenshot of the text I received from the PO.

glad that all worked out well for the OP.

Good result Winnie, hopefully no more will come of this rather silly episode. Frankly if that person is doing this to others, they could be charged with something like 'wasting police time'.

SimonBridges
I brilliant podcast I listen to (all killa no filla) was saying that the complaints to the police from two women are equal to a complaint from one man.

Oh seriously? It takes the word of far more than two women to be equal to one man. As per this case from 2006. Two female teachers vs one male doctor. They believed him, not them.

Or look at the attrition in the cases of Worboys or Mitchell. It takes many many more than two women to be equal to one man, most of those women's voices were dismissed before court.

The figure seems closer to 20:1.

Excellent result, OP. The only thing that would have made this better is if the police said they were going to warn the complainant about harassment of you and waste of police resources.

Can I also say that I am also very happy that this thread remained, and the bullies who reported your other thread didn't get their way of silencing and manipulating you this time. Thank you mods!

No, Lasquirrel. That is not true at all.
We must both grow up, that does not happen at all, so I have been told anyway.

When home invasion is being downgraded to Civil Trespass by the Police I find this a massive abuse of Police resources, even if the visit was to close off and tick boxes re the non- incident.

Thanks for your update OP and so glad that common sense prevailed.

Still aghast that this individual wasted everyone's time.

Talk about entitlement - demanding it be dealt with at the highest level, when some genuine causes cannot even get a police officer out these days.

But that's the selfish, narcissitic nature of some.

Glad it's all done and dusted using common sense, OP.

TG person wanted this dealt with "at the highest level"

This is so grandiose! Makes me wonder whether the real problem here is a narc Cluster B person rather than anything to do with the person being trans or not.

the narcissistic personality is characterized by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, hypersensitivity to evaluation by others, and lack of empathy

Good to hear that the police treated this complaint with precisely the level of seriousness that it deserved.

Makes me wonder whether the real problem here is a narc Cluster B person rather than anything to do with the person being trans or not.

I suspect that the trans part is just a convenient cause to hang the sense of aggrieved entitlement that goes along with being a narc on. If it was possible to file charges against people for not believing you're a genius they'd try that too.

This is so grandiose! Makes me wonder whether the real problem here is a narc Cluster B person rather than anything to do with the person being trans or not.

Was my first thought.

Narcs gonna narc.

Triumph for common sense!

OP, thanks for coming back and updating us.
I'm am glad you're okay

Thanks for the update, OP.

It's a testament to the current distorted climate that everyone is mildly surprised that the issue was dealt with in an appropriate manner.

Salem - but if she was spoken to about wasting police time, I have no doubt that would provoke a complaint about the PO involved being discriminatory and whole internal investigation being demanded...

And to those wondering how a conversation between acquaintances got reported to the police - I can only say that the person involved seems incapable of actually HAVING a conversation about TG issues. Any discussion = hate crime apparently.

And why wait for 7 weeks to report it?????

Winniesalot I don't want to scaremonger but just watch your back for a few weeks. If the person is a narc they won't take kindly to being told their complaint is of no consequence.

There was a thread a few months ago which may be of interest and is perhaps relevent:
OP womanformallyknownaswoman wrote:
"What's essential is dealing with reports and complaints of any kind is discerning between a usual, a persistent and a querulant (unusually persistent) complainant.

The persistent complainants’ pursuit of vindication and retribution fits badly with complaints systems established to deliver reparation and compensation. Extract from a report on Unusually Persistent Complainants against the Police in Scotland:

The research on which this report is based arose from my view, shared by many others, that increasingly organisations are required to manage people who make persistent complaints. This small group of individuals can consume a disproportionate amount of an organisation’s resources, pursuing what they believe are legitimate complaints, for longer and with more intensity than the majority of the population would consider reasonable.

The key to managing unacceptable complainant conduct is to manage your own response to it (New South Wales Ombusdman, 2009A) and the importance of adequate training, supervision and managerial support for complaints handlers can not be overstated.

They used the term ‘querulousness’ to refer to a constellation of behaviours and attitudes, which may, or may not, arise secondary to a major mental disorder. The key is that it is a problem behaviour, the causes of which can be many and varied. The behaviour involves “the unusually persistent pursuit of a personal grievance in a manner seriously damaging to the individual’s economic, social, and personal interests, and disruptive to the functioning of the courts and/or other agencies attempting to resolve the claims” (Mullen and Lester, 2006)."

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241727-Weaponising-of-the-Complaints-Process

Oh I know Crow (😂 at alliteration).

Thanks Rowan, that's really interesting. It's a sorry state of affairs that this person is potentially diverting police resources away from those who are actually being discriminated.

Hey ho, not to worry, it's all about them and not the wider issues

*discriminated AGAINST

I must say, OP, I agree with Crow. Narcs don't give up easily, so if that's the case here, do mind how you go.

And generally: those rushing in to angrily defend vexatious reporting of petty spats to the police on the basis of most oppressed/stunning, brave might like to consider that promoting narcs as poster children for the cause might not be the best strategy.

I think its also worth considering the influence that charities & organisations such as Stonewall, Mermaids etc play in reinforcing ideas of what a hate crime is.

And to those wondering how a conversation between acquaintances got reported to the police - I can only say that the person involved seems incapable of actually HAVING a conversation about TG issues. Any discussion = hate crime apparently.

This is exactly my concern on this topic. We have even seen the reactions of other posters who basically echo this point of view, and my question to them is: when and how are we allowed to speak about these issues then? Because I think having a calm, rational, facts based approach here is important, but we keep getting accused of hatred for even wanting to just talk about real concerns around actual changes to the law that affect who falls into the category "female" legally. I do not condone any transphobic abuse. The problem is not "trans people" at all, but rather the idea that biological sex is somehow less relevant than an unverifiable internal declaration of gender identity now, and the drive to enshrine this into law. Because I don't agree with that principle, and I think it's vulnerable to exploitation by genuinely bad actors. In fact, I think we have already seen examples of such exploitation, that somehow always get dismissed by the "no true trans person" fallacy argument.
The silencing tactics surrounding any part of this discussion are making things worse. If gender-critical concerns are all "bunk" then the least we could ask for is a constructive dialogue so that our minds could be convinced that some safeguards will be put in place regarding freedom of speech, freedom of belief, women's rights, female political representation, accuracy of data-keeping including tracking previous convictions under a different name and gender, and provision of single-sex spaces (to name a few).

I think its also worth considering the influence that charities & organisations such as Stonewall, Mermaids etc play in reinforcing ideas of what a hate crime is.

YY.

The problem is not "trans people" at all, but rather the idea that biological sex is somehow less relevant than an unverifiable internal declaration of gender identity now, and the drive to enshrine this into law.

I've been told how evil I am by more than one woman (I don't mean trans) merely for wanting to discuss this calmly and rationally.