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Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii

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MipMipMip · 03/08/2018 13:54

There doesnt seem to be another part 3 coming up si here goes.

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WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 15/08/2018 13:59

Any one else notice the new slur 'terves' which is coincidentally being bandied about against gender critical feminists since Jess Bradley has been associated with a sexually perverted blog? 'Terves' is suppose to be a combination of 'T**F and 'perv'.

I just wanted to make a note of the timing of this. It seems like a strategic reversal, accusing gender criticals of being 'pervy' for caring about whether penis bearers are in spaces where women and girls are vulnerable and undressed. Of course we are not pervy.

The ones who are pervy are the 'women' like Jess Bradley who are excited by getting their penises out in places where other people won't expect to see them.

Stickerladiesoftheworldunite · 15/08/2018 14:05

I see 'swerf and terf' a lot. What does that mean?

heresyandwitchcraft · 15/08/2018 14:18

TERF is a banned term on this board, it stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. It is considered a slur: terfisaslur.com/

SWERF is Sex-worker exclusionary radical feminist, usually leveled at people who are for policies like the Nordic model for prostitution (which criminalizes the punters rather than the prostitutes), and feminists who look into issues like reducing sex-trafficking.

Generally these two terms affect the same group of people: radical feminists, who believe that the female body is at the root of analyzing feminist issues.

www.feministcurrent.com/2017/10/02/pact-trans-rights-advocates-sex-trade-lobby/

Stickerladiesoftheworldunite · 15/08/2018 14:39

Sorry, just realised I used the T word by mistake. Sadly, after many a Twitter bun fight, I'm more than ai fait with the slur.Angry

Thanks for clarifying swe** (not sure if that's banned?) Seen so many Twitter posts lately with s&t as the 'tag line' in the past couple of weeks.

paintedwingsandgiantrings · 15/08/2018 14:50

Stickerladiesoftheworldunite it's OK to say TERF.

No words about banned on Mumsnet - look: cunting bollocky fucking swearwords are allowed too! Some websites have software to ban words. MN doesn't.

What's not OK, is personal insults.

SO, calling someone a TERF as a slur isn't allowed - so if it's reported it'll be deleted.

We're definitely allowed to talk about the use of the word TERF. If we weren't, that'd be stopping us from talking about the slurs we receive.

paintedwingsandgiantrings · 15/08/2018 14:51

Sorry, that should say - No words are banned on Mumsnet -

heresyandwitchcraft · 15/08/2018 14:58

This is a good point. I used the word "banned" too broadly. Apologies.

As the guidelines state:
As we’ve said, context is everything – but it’s likely that going forward our moderation team will delete these expressions.

Ereshkigal · 15/08/2018 19:38

Any one else notice the new slur 'terves' which is coincidentally being bandied about against gender critical feminists since Jess Bradley has been associated with a sexually perverted blog? 'Terves' is suppose to be a combination of 'T**F and 'perv'.

It's a classic narcissistic reversal. The more outrageous and wrong the better. They take great pleasure in this.

ChattyLion · 15/08/2018 20:55

Ooh a devastating new terv of abuse! So creative. UD would not agree with this tho. Grin

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Terv&amp=true&defid=6001427

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 21:48

We have to call them penis people because trans advocates took away our word for them. If they can come up with a new word which means what MAN used to mean, we can stop refering to genitals.

Ereshkigal · 15/08/2018 23:22

I quite like "penis people". It does exactly what it says on the tin. Why should only women get to be "people with cervices" etc?

Datun · 15/08/2018 23:35

I hope they do keep going with terv.

I know people talk about projection a lot, which I agree with. But that is such a blatant use of it, it's unhinged. Keep going is what I say.

It's as mad as saying the NSPCC are paedophiles, because it's got the word children in it.

Let them keep going with their insane drivel.

Thelastempressofconstantinople · 15/08/2018 23:41

pencilsinspace thank you for sharing that appalling article by Jane Fae. It is so absolutely vile that I think that it should be brought to the notice of as many people as possible. I’m going to circulate links to it to contacts for this reason.

Pre 2010, as part of my work, I was required to learn a bit about these revolting “cartoons”. To defend them is- well, utterly indefensible. It beggars belief that this person is given a platform by anyone, let alone by any public or national media body. I would not want to be in the same room as someone who had supported these items.

Ereshkigal · 15/08/2018 23:47

The media is constantly calling on Fae to comment on trans issues. I hope some day someone has the balls to remind Fae of this in a discussion or flag it up publicly.

reeldoop · 16/08/2018 00:09

What is it with how these self-absorbed people in their twenties speak now? 'I literally started shaking", "I genuinely teared up", "I actually started crying". Literal this, literally that. Why the constant use of superfluous adverbs used incorrectly? When did it all start? Was it TOWIE and BB and all that?

PencilsInSpace · 16/08/2018 00:29

If they all had each others' backs like Jess reckons they do, Jane would have warned Jess that posting Ben 10 rape cartoons on a public blog is likely to be illegal. Jane has given lots of thought to this, and other related subjects.

Jane Fae is very interested in extreme pornography.

R0wantrees · 16/08/2018 09:27

The media is constantly calling on Fae to comment on trans issues. I hope some day someone has the balls to remind Fae of this in a discussion or flag it up publicly.

THis seems especially true of the BBC.
Latest comment discussed by JAmes Kirkup, 'Is the BBC scared of the transgender debate?'

(extract)
Just for good measure, Reality Check (a supposedly objective fact-check) chucks in a bit of commentary from Jane Fae, a “transgender journalist and campaigner” making the wholly subjective assertion that the public will “misinterpret” those official figures and that “the fall-out in terms of violence and abuse will, in some cases, be significant.” Perhaps that is a valid case to argue, but it is not one that belongs in a Reality Check piece.

In truth, the public is in little danger of misinterpreting those figures, or even of knowing about them, because the BBC did its best to bury them. While most Reality Check pieces are featured on the homepage of BBC News, this one was not apparently placed there at any point. BBC News has made little effort to publicise what might reasonably be considered newsworthy information about a matter of public interest.

The overall impression given is that someone at the BBC set out with the hope of debunking that Fair Play for Women calculation, but uncovered evidence suggesting that calculation was perfectly reasonable, then made significant efforts to avoid saying so or telling anyone that, yes, a lot of male-born offenders who identify themselves as women are in jail for sexual crimes, including crimes committed against women." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/is-the-bbc-scared-of-the-transgender-debate/

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3334473-BBC-reality-check-on-trans-prisoners

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3336755-James-Kirkup-on-BBC-reporting-on-trans-prisoners

Charliethefeminist · 16/08/2018 09:45

Most won't talk, as in #nodebate. They've made that clear all over everywhere. So either Jane enjoys the limelight or there's been some kind of mothership decision that Jane is the informal nominated spokesperson. It can only be this.

R0wantrees · 16/08/2018 12:01

So either Jane enjoys the limelight or there's been some kind of mothership decision that Jane is the informal nominated spokesperson. It can only be this.

First TELI (Trans Equality Legal Initiative) conference 2016.

Jane Faye, Jess Bradley and other prominant TRA speakers.

"The Trans Equality Legal Initiative is a new initiative aiming to provide the ultimate forum for the discussion of trans rights in the United Kingdom. Covering important legal areas such as healthcare, education, justice and international protection, the initiative will be at the forefront of trans rights, bringing together experts and activists from across the legal and LGBT spheres.

It is our belief that strategic litigation is a very important tool in the advancement of trans rights, and this will be at the forefront of our efforts as we explore the various issues facing the trans community."

Vision:
"The Trans Equality Legal Initiative works to build a collective and strategic response to the widespread and entrenched discrimination and inequality experienced by members of the trans community. The founders came together with this aim after the Government released the 'Transgender Equality Inquiry'. This was the first Government Inquiry into the discrimination and abuse suffered by members of the trans community in the UK. The report outlined the systemic discrimination faced by this community in almost every aspect of their private and public lives.

Through TELI, we hope to bring together human rights lawyers, third sector trans activist organisations, academics, equality and diversity experts and members of the trans, non-binary and queer community to pool our knowledge, expertise and skill base to inform both strategic litigation and to assist in lobbying for clear and concrete measures to secure equality and safety for members of the trans community. We also hope to consolidate expertise in this area of law to help inform practitioners and activists.

Strategic litigation is often a tool of last resort but can, when used appropriately, effect real change in how the Government responds and addresses wide scale discrimination. The founders recognise from their own practices that it is only through working cohesively and strategically from both a policy and legal standpoint that real and substantive change is made. The founders are committed to realising this change.

TELI launched this project with an all-day conference in November 2016 which brought together the lawyers, academics, third sector communities and members of the public to discuss key areas of concern facing members of the trans community in the UK. A series of panel discussions provided different perspectives on various topics."

Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii
TheFemaleGaze · 16/08/2018 12:08

According to the Daily Fail article on “gender-neutral” toilets, the BBC employs 470+ trans people. Anyone know the total workforce? Still, might explain things.

borntobequiet · 16/08/2018 12:23

Wiki says 20 916 for 2015/16.
Using that, the percentage of trans people appears to be over 2%. Which is very very high.

heresyandwitchcraft · 16/08/2018 12:27

Yes, I believe the figure 2% or 1 in 50 of the BBC workforce identifies as trans was discussed on this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3293668-ever-wondered-about-the-bbc-s-pro-trans-agenda-this-is-why

LondonLawyer · 16/08/2018 15:56

Weirdly, TELI appears to have deleted almost all references to Jess Bradley on both its website and twitter feed. Confused

Wanderabout · 16/08/2018 15:59

Weirdly, TELI appears to have deleted almost all references to Jess Bradley on both its website and twitter feed.

How odd. Are there screenshots of the deleted info?

R0wantrees · 16/08/2018 16:00

Weirdly, TELI appears to have deleted almost all references to Jess Bradley on both its website and twitter feed

Have they made a statement as to this?