Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

[LaSquirrel]

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

R0wantrees thanks for the vid while most of that is indeed correct I do feel rose being younger does not understand fully the ture trans narrative that as been in our community since the 70s and is only addressing the current reiteration of it. though I will agree the term does appear to have changed its meaning over time and the truscum lable is used far more around gender critical. I don't find the term useful myself. I just wanted to point out it's not about gender dysphoria that was all as the poster had stated.

Prehaps they were say "i thought you were shit, i was wrong"?

Am a ne2 person here

I just neve4 believe ed a guy could turn into a women

It was that simple fo4 me

Then u lot gave me the knowledge to use in m6 real life.

So I use it

I don’t have all the language other ppl have here but I can read and understand what is being said
Lols at grumpy. Nowt wrong with being a grumpy 😡

Sorry. I'm clearly in an argumentative mood. I shall blame it on my dehydration headache and drink more wine to improve things.

OK The Bewilderness It's late and I've had some 🍷and I haven't read the entire thread. But I'm seeing a degree of intolerance towards those who are simply new to the board and agreeing and wanting to join up and spread the word. Not sure what that has to do with new join ups from Tra's and Mra's apart from exerting a degree of caution with regard to security. As I see it there has been a concerted effort to bring in self ID etc under the radar and thank God some journalists are speaking out and efforts from ManFriday etc are attracting excellent publicity, gradually the message is getting out there and the wider world is waking up. Sorry for not having been there two years ago.

Prehaps they were say "i thought you were shit, i was wrong"?

They could just say 'gosh, you are right'.

Anyway - it doesnt matter...as long as more people see the TRA agenda for what it is - total annilalation of womens' and girls' rights - that is what matters. And noting of course the TRAs on here who still will not admit that this is what is happening, nothing to see here, no hint of awareness of our concerns...

Iused2BanOptimist

Shall I blame the wine for the fact that you are disputing with me over a position I do not hold?
New gender critical people are very welcome here. Feminists even more so.
Saying hello by informing the women on FWR of how much they disliked us yesterday is a jerk move. That is my position and I will not be moved.

CSI Mumsnet may find this impenetrable interesting.

"Theorising Normalcy and the Mundane" by Bradley and Williams-Schultz

Also it's not about having suddenly had a lightbulb moment and changing views (at least not for me), it's not as if I ever believed men could be women or that men should compete in women's sport or that children should go on puberty blockers etc or whatever. But the whole point is that most people don't know the extent of what is going on and thankfully people on here have been alert and raising awareness, well done all of you , but don't turn around and get shitty at people who are only recently getting the message! If you're not looking for that information it's really not out there at least not until recently when things have been ramping up a bit what with the self ID consultation around the corner etc.

It has been a rough few days around here, hasn't it.

I was lucky when I first arrived, the "are you a lurker?" thread was around and that made it a lot easier to join in without sticking my Birkenstocks in my gob. Plus even a couple of weeks ago there were nowhere near as many troll-like posts. Tbh I'm still reeling at the size of it all even though I'd been uncomfortable for months, following it piecemeal on Twitter and not being sure I had the right end of the stick. I've invested dozens of hours of reading and youtube in the last few weeks to get myself up to speed (and I'm aware many people are far more time-poor than I am); even with that the terminology seems to change every couple of days.

Thank you to all of you for your time and words.

It uses the position of transable people to push the boundaries of 'disability'

The what now?

Perhaps a new delurking thread would be in order silentcrow.

I am rapidly losing interest in talking with people who keep telling women that we aren't being nice enough to strangers.

We talk about the power of socialisation and cultural norms etc so it is a bit mean to grump at people when they have been somewhat of an unwitting victim of it.

I would imagine that a woman who suddenly gets it, having had the scales fall, is likely to be feeling a mixture of emotions including fear, shock and also probably some guilt, and maybe even shame at not having got it sooner.

No need to rub it in - guilt is a shitty motivator. Some feelings are best kept to oneself surely.

And especially when the OP is actually going to do something practical for the cause.

And not everyone knows the rules of social media or an in-group with unwritten rules etc. I am totally out of touch with stuff and worry all the time about being shit at MNing.

but don't turn around and get shitty at people who are only recently getting the message! If you're not looking for that information it's really not out there at least not until recently when things have been ramping up a bit what with the self ID consultation around the corner etc

As already mentioned...the person in question was engaging - so much so that they were dismayed by us. That is what was pulled up.

But anyhow...shall we move on?

I would imagine that a woman who suddenly gets it, having had the scales fall, is likely to be feeling a mixture of emotions including fear, shock and also probably some guilt, and maybe even shame at not having got it sooner.

Every time someone has a pop at me, for having a pop at someone, for having a pop at feminists; i am going to respond. So shall we move on?

OK thebewilderness I take your point that may not be the best way to introduce oneself. And I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to me because I have certainly not changed my views. I've been on Twitter for years, stayed anonymous and safe, I work in the nhs and am pretty careful not to put anything out there that could be compromising. To the extent of being careful who I follow or what I "like". I was furious at the BMA pregnant people thing etc. But it's only when you delve a bit deeper, that you find out more. From safe twitter to FWR #peak trans back to Twitter and throwing caution to the wind, starting to follow more outspoken people and definitely quite a few from here, reading the linked articles - nothing to do with changing views, just becoming more educated and being very grateful to discover there is a concerted fight back. And I'm bloody proud to be called that word that means die in fire. Ha. Radical? Me?

Let's pretend this never happened. That will make everyone feel better. /s

I don't think *Ninon was having a pop at you. Just saying that she had a different view and now has seen the light.

So obviously you will do as you please Agastache but we don't all have to agree or let it go unchallenged. We are not the hive mind are we!

What I think matters most here is that people can come here and work for the cause of protecting women and children, however late they are to the party.

Perhaps a new delurking thread would be in order silentcrow.

I am rapidly losing interest in talking with people who keep telling women that we aren't being nice enough to strangers.

Maybe - I thought about bumping the old one, but there have been so many dodgy threads trying to get a "gotcha" moment to slap on Twitter that I figured it would be counter-productive.

I completely get where you're coming from with "be nice" - the more I see it done and called out here, the more I notice it everywhere else. TV, books, you name it (I've just finished the YA novel "Girl Mans Up" - the main character is a young butch lesbian, which is such a great antidote!). I ain't shoving up any more.

It uses the position of transable people to push the boundaries of 'disability'

Firstly, please pass me the brain bleach.
I've skimmed some of that book - DIID is something I'd come across before as "vanishingly rare", but I hadn't connected a sexual component. Page 150 gives a summary of the different threads of transablism which breaks down very similarly to transgenderism. If transablism was as pretty and bankable as sparkly nails and frocks, I bet we'd see a lot more of it.

I found www.theodysseyonline.com/trans-abled-is-not-thing and this blogger's post sounds like us lot when we get utterly frustrated at men who think women have it so easy. In either case, there is no appreciation of the pain involved.

What I think matters most here is that people can come here and work for the cause of protecting women and children, however late they are to the party.

It is not about being late to the party...it is about about trashing the hostess as you arrive.

But again, shall we move on?

silentcrow

I can't see the whole book without buying it, but do they actually talk of a sexual component when it comes to "transable" people? Holy shit. All I've learned about Body Identity Integrity Disorder is that it's a rare psychological disorder that requires extensive treatment and sometimes institutionalisation in order to avoid horrific self-mutilation. Are they suggesting a part of that is some kind of a dismemberment kink?
Also, Jess Bradley seems to have contributed the chapter People of Substance Disability Problematic Drug Use and Normalcy. Again, haven't read it, but the phrasing "people of substance" is... off-putting, to say the least.

If you search inside the book you can read the chapter he co-authored. I say you can read it - you can try to read it. I had to give up as the bollocks hurt my brain.

Again, haven't read it, but the phrasing "people of substance" is... off-putting, to say the least.

I came across that earlier. Eyes were rolled at that title.