Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

[LaSquirrel]

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

“You all love to conveniently forget that asking trans women to be in mens spaces instead puts them at extreme risk of violence. But so long as its a trans woman getting beaten up and abused instead of you, you don't care.”

I care very much. I think that all public loos should be separate cubicles with doors and sinks. What other men’s spaces are we talking about?

genderskeptic

"Intersex isn't a disorder its a natural variation that disproves binary categorisation"

Utterly incorrect. Intersex proves the binary. 'Inter' is Latin for 'between'. For something to be 'between' there has to be at least one item on either side. In the case of Intersex, those items on either side are the female sex and the male sex. Intersex is not a third sex.

How many gametes are there and what are these please?

At that WEP conference, someone would only have to ask after the predictable nothing-to-worry-about speech, "What about Jess Bradley?"

You’re not here in good faith, genderskeptical.

thanks for the new thread, lasqrrl. Here’s hoping we can use it to actually discuss the matters at hand, without the testeria.

why are there trans people calling out people like Jess despite the huge personal cost of opportunists like you using it to tar all trans people?

Which trans people are calling out Jess? Because from I have seen, there has been absolute radio silence online from certain people who would normally be very vocal about all things trans related.

And calling Jess an 'idiot' or a 'cock womble' for they did, because really they are the actions of nothing more than a silly billy is hardly 'calling the behaviour out'.

LaSquirrel & JackyHolyoake you need to read some decolonial feminism before you're even competent to debate the subject. “No investigation, no right to speak” — Mao in “Combat Liberalism”

A few people don't want to talk about Jess Bradley. On a thread about Jess Bradley.

This is Jess Bradley.

"there's nothing innate about sex"

A delusion of this magnitude would not be entertained by the media and politicians on any other subject. Imagine if somebody started claiming that grass is sparkly pink or that magic existed, that we don't need food, water or oxygen to live or that tables and chairs have feelings. That's the level that this comment is on.

How dare somebody else deny my scientically authenticated existence to argue for their own fictionalised 'reality'.

AFAIK there is no evidence that feminine presenting males are at increased risk of assault in men's toilets and changing rooms. Tons and tons of evidence that having males in female spaces puts females at increased risk.

Hangingaroundtheportal the original whisteblowers are trans! They probably aren't public because they're afraid of Carter Ruck since most trans people don't have the resources to fight a lawsuit! The whisteblowers didn't call anyone an idiot, they called her an abuser and a danger.

genderskeptic. Have you watched peachyogurt video? It's very short and lists all of the facts. It might help you keep on topic.

I'm sure there are many trans people who are appalled by this story - some for the same reasons as women, some because it's so damaging to the TRA cause.

Safe spaces for all - be it properly designed 'unisex' or third spaces is, I think, what we'd all like. But men's violence isn't the fault of women.

I've seen the video. She makes a huge illogical jump from an isolated incident to trying to argue all trans people are guilty and dangerous.

They probably aren't public because they're afraid of Carter Ruck since most trans people don't have the resources to fight a lawsuit!

And yet, Jess Bradley, who is on a huge 24k a year manages to find the resources to be represented by them?

By the way, stop appropriating intersex people into arguments about transgender ism.

Are women supposed to let anyone who feels at risk of violence from other men shelter amongst us like human shields then? Why not tackle male violence instead? (You could start with the type of violence shared by Bradley)

I'm in women's spaces all the time and nobody can even tell, because I'm a woman.

The basic failures in background checking are dismal. Are Bradley’s special interests rare? As i’ve seen someone on twitter essentially arguing that it’s all very normal and we shouldn’t “slut-shame”

I very much think we should.

I'm going to ignore our increasingly desperate derailing friend. I know there are lurkers but there are also plenty of other threads for them. (and I speak as an ex long term lurker).

hackmum posted this on the other thread. I think it is at least possible that it is the NUS using Carter-Ruck. They may well want to keep the fact that they've suspended one of their officers for sexual misdemeanours out of the media.
That would be a highly unusual step for the NUS to take though surely? I would have thought they would call on their own legal experts, not the likes of Carter Ruck.
It would be even more extraordinary than Bradley being in a position to hire them.

The more you dig, the more interesting this gets.

It's worrying that someone who says that they don't believe there is such a thing as a real women, is given such responsibility. Who can believe anything they say.

Hangingaroundtheportal they do no win no fee arrangements, and an engagement letter probably only costs a few hundred quid. I'm sure her landlord father chipped in...

You all love to conveniently forget that asking trans women to be in mens spaces instead puts them at extreme risk of violence.

Gosh. It's almost like you are saying MEN ARE VIOLENT, Skippy.

Could this be why we don't want the be-penised ones in our toilets or changing rooms?

(And nothing against the guys I work with, but I am SO wiping down my desk with anti bacterial wipes tomorrow....)

Granted that this is a more impressive Poe than most, but do we really want another thread full of their derailing nonsense?

The subject is Jess Bradley, what they've done, and the fact that apparently organizations they've worked with knew about it and did nothing. Let's start with a list of those organizations.

Jess Bradley- 'My Impossible Vagina' (Manchester SU Women's Campaign 'The Vagina Monologues 2015)

www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=9avBQiO6WBA

How anyone can continue to refer to Bradley as ‘she’ baffles me. Getting your dick out in public is possibly the most male behaviour I can think of.