Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

[LaSquirrel]

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

From the last thread, someone kindly highlighted this archived piece.

Wherein Bradley, someone born white and male*, goes into a rather long tirade over Shakira Martin, a WOC, who was elected for a second term as NUS President, with 51% of the vote. Someone who was born black and female.

Bradley comes off as looking like the average two-year-old having a tantrum.

*being born male is the qualification for being a 'transwoman'. Fact.

YourVagesty I assume prepubescent children aren't girls, and women on certain kinds of birth control, or pregnant women, or post menopausal women aren't women either?

Intersex isn't a disorder its a natural variation that disproves binary categorisation

The proper term is "disorders of sex development". So yes these assorted conditions are disorders. Yes human beings are sexually dimorphic apart from rare anomalies which often make them infertile. Stop using these people as human shields in order to violate women's boundaries.

There are definitely some trans people calling Bradley out on Twitter. However, they are, of course, the trans people that have already taken on a position critical of the TRA/Self ID agenda and have subsequently been disparaged as ‘Truscum’.

AngryBird, Rose of Dawn and Fionne Orlander have all spoken out.

You all love to conveniently forget that asking trans women to be in mens spaces instead puts them at extreme risk of violence. But so long as its a trans woman getting beaten up and abused instead of you, you don't care.

Yes, yes that's right. Of course. Women don't care. That is why so much violent crime is committed by wome........oh wait.

So women should step up and be the human shields to protect transwomen from men? And if in that process they are put in danger by having God knows which 'self identifying woman' in their space, well, tough shit?

What is your view on campaigning for third spaces? It seems like quite a sensible solution to me, at least as a starting point, but there seems to be absolutely no demand for it?

I love you to bits, Rowantrees, but still note enough to listen to Bradley wanking on about his imaginary vagina.

Agree we should ignore the derail. Back to Jess...

I wasn't going to engage, but given the length of time you've been around Bespin, I'd have thought you'd learn how to present a quote from another poster

You can bold it, or even use "inverted commas"

I present this to you in case anyone else is interested in reading what you have to say. It will help them to make sense of your posts

Do you know what I'm going to take one for the team down the rabbit hole I go!

AngryAttackKittens
The last 10 seconds is rather pertinent! I can type it if needs be, but better watched I think.

"You all love to conveniently forget that asking trans women to be in mens spaces instead puts them at extreme risk of violence."

So, let's get this right. Trans women are at risk of violence from men. But if you allow self-ID, then that will allow men into women's spaces, so they will still be at risk of violence from men - as will women, of course.

Secondly, you kept trying to argue on the other thread that sex was a meaningless category - that there were no differences between men and women and therefore no reason to segregate them. Now you're saying that trans women should be kept apart from men because men pose a risk to trans women.

There is no polite way to ask this, genderskeptic, but can you possibly be as stupid as you seem? You appear to be incapable of grasping the most rudimentary logic, and you contradict yourself from post to post.

If all trans people are a risk, why are there trans people on the side of survivors?

Once more for @genderskeptic No one is saying all trans people are a risk. What has been said, repeatedly, in as blunt as manner as you can get, is that self ID is open to abuse by predatory males, who WILL pretend to be trans in order to access vulnerable and/or undressed females.

It has also been repeatedly said that self id will remove medical gate keeping, so that gender dysphoric individuals will not be the only ones able to get a GRC, but perverted fetishists will be able to self declare as women, and that is essentially giving them a free pass to engage in acts of voyeurism, and worse.

Why are you not getting this?

I assume prepubescent children aren't girls, and women on certain kinds of birth control, or pregnant women, or post menopausal women aren't women either?

Yes a woman who isn't menstruating because she has a Mirena coil in is exactly the same as a 'woman' who isn't menstruating because they actually have a cock and balls. They are one and the same obviously!

Do you actually read what you have written before you press 'post'?

genderskeptic

So how exactky do we make sure all the nasty lying faking trans people are kept out and the good ones allowed in when you have removed he right for abyone to he challenged and campaigned for the right that allowed anyone with no effort to even look like a woman to walk right in?

And if men are so dangerous for transwomen to be around in the men's why are you arguing to allow the very same men you are in so much danger from to follow you right in?

Why are you not getting this?

Because reception is poor under the bridge and the goats are noisy?

I would recommend to all, if we don't want this thread derailed, to ignore all rantings contributions by genderskeptic.

Seriously, there is no topping the Geneva Convention "contribution".

Jess Bradley here claims to have set up TELI.

"I set up in 2014 and the Trans Equality Legal Initiative in 2016 and have been doing trans activism ever since".

www.nusconnect.org.uk/elected-officers/trans-officer

Have to disagree with you there Bertrand. I don't fancy the risk of being pushed into a single cubicle by an attacker and the door locked behind me. No. Single sex toilets please. Transmen are quite welcome. It's about the option to avoid male bodies in intimate situations.

Jess is exactly the kind of person I use single sex facilities to avoid. I would not want Jess caring for my elderly female relatives or taking my younger female relatives on guide camp.

Jess is male, has a preference for femininity, and does not appear to experience dysphoria WRT their male body. Jess does not belong in female spaces. Nor should Jess be advising the government on women's boundaries.

Intersex isn't a disorder its a natural variation that disproves binary categorisation

No it isn’t. There are multiple conditions of abnormal development which together form the category called intersex/DSD. Everyone with such a condition can be classified into Male or female.

And we can argue about this all you want.

I’m a geneticist who has been a working scientist for well over twenty years, just as a wee heads up.

You first.

genderskeptic

You must have missed my earlier post to you:

"A bunch of white people calling a Nigerian feminist scholar a racist for telling the truth about gender."

That is indeed very interesting. You've read this book, I assume. I am very interested to know what the author has to say about FGM practised widely across African countries and very obviously an historic gendered custom practised well before colonialism was ever part of the history of the African continent. Perhaps you can enlighten us?

Iwonder if Jess Bradley has also been advising on the Scottish Consultation, bearing in mind that ATH are an Edinburgh based organisation?

Haha Genderskeptic, nice try. Of course I believe that females from conception to death are unwaveringly female. I'm not debating this with you because your logic is catastrophically flawed. Good day to you.

genderskeptic I bet they can tell but just don’t know how to voice their opinion of it with out being called bigot.

We can always tell.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise that it was genderskeptic that was responsible for that 'Geneva Convention' post!

No contradiction. Men are violent, trans women aren't men. Men's violence is not a biological imperative but a social reality, a social condition, one that can be changed, but only through the eradication of the category of men.

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