Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

[LaSquirrel]

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

think they could have just shut all the threads on this down, for an easy life. That they haven't, is really quite impressive

Agreed

Thanks all for the clarification, about being careful. So anything in the daily mail article, or the blog is OK to repeat.
Maybe I'm paranoid. I've shared the article on Facebook without being too careful in the comments.

Unless (bluff and double bluff) there's a hope at HQ that a handy mistake here could force MN to shut down FWR and save them an embarrassing decision. I'm sure that's not true, fingers and toes crossed that it's not true.

Rufus I just watched the first 20 minutes of Kath and Kimderella.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Anyone know if the UK trans movement is linked to Ireland and if so how?

Procrastinator1

ohrh.law.ox.ac.uk/gender-recognition-self-determination-and-segregated-space/
blog co-authored by Tara Hewitt & Peter Dunne (both involved with TELI)
Peter Dunne (Bristol University Law)
www.bristol.ac.uk/law/people/peter-r-dunne/index.html
extract:
In 2013, Peter was selected as an Arthur C Helton Fellow of the American Society of International Law, and worked as a national and international law advisor to Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI). Peter was subsequently elected to serve on the TENI Board of Directors (2014-2017). He has previously been awarded a number of grants, including the Pride Law Fund and Equality Justice America Fellowship, and has worked with organisations, including GLBTQ Advocates and Defenders, Massachusetts Transgender Legal Advocates and Intersex and Transgender Luxembourg. Peter remains actively involved in LGBTQ reform campaigns, working with organisations, such as the Transgender Equality Legal Initiative'
www.teni.ie/attachments/a32be799-9d22-4a93-9023-ab914b5bb35e.PDF

Going to bed would be a lovely idea if my cat hadn't camped out in the doorway to the toilet, clearly in the hope of tripping me when I get up to pee.

(Derail over, as you were.)

The first mad max was Australian no? Also Gallipoli.

But also Going Square now that's a smashing film.

I love Kath and Kim

Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't HQ been sparing the "misgendering" and "dead naming" delete buttons the last couple if days

Tiny little whoopee, if so 👍

Thanks Rowan!
Af it seems erratic and dependant on who's on shift.

I don't think it's possible to be a naturist and an exhibitionist.

Claiming that their actions were not breaking the law is a pretty low bar and does not mean that it's in any way acceptable behaviour.

Apologies for continuing the derail, but (for Rufus) Mary & Max is another good Australian film.

Back on track - I think CSI Mumsnet is doing a brilliant job.

First time I was flashed at was age 12 or 13. Walking with my best friend in a residential area, we heard a shout and looked across the road to see a man frantically wanking us. It was frightening and disgusting; of course we told no-one. Similar incidents happened a few more times over the next couple of years. It is grossly offensive when people downplay the distress, intimidation and fear these acts cause.

Walking home from school when I was 10 there was almost always a man in a car parked about a block away from the school wanking and calling us to come over to him. Offering candy to little girls. 1956.

It's all transmisogyny, according to an NUS trans officer from B'ham university.

So according to Finn

media reporting and distaste at someone getting their cock out in public = transmisogynistic

Alrighty then.

When my older sisters were flashed at, my mum told them to ignore it as 'that's just what men do'. Thirty odd years ago, but I suspect she'd say much the same thing now. On the other hand when an individual on the bus wanked at my dd a couple of years ago the driver reported it to the police and everyone was incredibly supportive. I don't think that the perverts that do this sort of thing change much, but hopefully society has at least learned that there are victims and that they need support because indecent exposure is frightening, not a funny dare.

Finn seems to currently be in the denial stage.

Finn seems to currently be in the denial stage.

And the reversal stage.

It's a spectacular reversal of reality to claim that women noticing male-pattern sex crimes is 'misogyny'.

@sociopathsunited It wouldn't surprise me if some of these previous safe places had cameras installed too, just to collect the footage.

I did some research into the cameras that would be used for this.

I'm sceptical that way. I expect this new "realistic" type of nasty violence and porn will find its clientele very easily

Yup. All the jigsaw pieces are falling into place in my head and I am TERRIFIED by what I see.

In the political and social context we have:

• The "cotton ceiling" brigade and their sexual entitlement and open fantasising about coercive corrective rape of lesbians.
• Mermaids et al teaching schools that girls should accept males into intimate spaces like dorms and changing rooms (pdf, see p30) and no impact assessments being done despite them being mandatory for public bodies. These girls will grow up having been told to have no boundaries.
• The Govt listening to male flashers and ignoring women who are concerned about safeguarding of women and girls.
• A push towards self-id, destroying the legal meaning of "woman" as "a [human] female of any age" by allowing any male to self-declare to be a "female" and hence rendering sex-based legal protections meaningless.
• Conflation of gender and sex by public bodies who really should know better.
• The Labour trans campaign calling for failure to disclose birth sex to not invalidate consent to sex.
• Erosion of the social norms whereby anyone can challenge a man walking into the women's loos or challenge a male entering female changing rooms.

In the technical context we have:

• Tiny cameras built into innocuous-looking bathroom items (see first link in post).
• TOR, which allows the footage from those cameras to be downloaded by viewers in a way that is difficult if not impossible to trace, via "the dark web", onion service websites that can only be seen by using TOR.
• Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Etherium, which allow camera footage to be paid for by the viewer in a way that isn't traceable to that viewer unless they are exceptionally careless and publically associate identifiable data (e.g. name) with their wallet address.

To summarise, we already have the technology to record and replay sex crimes in public toilet, showers, changing rooms etc without the victim being aware of the camera, and monetise that abuse of women. If you google/duckduckgo/whatever for "toilet camera" with safe search off, you will find what men are already doing to unsuspecting women.

With self-id, it will be easier for males to gain access to female spaces and sex crimes against women and girls in public spaces will become more widespread and will escalate beyond filming women as they pee, because if a Canadian man will abuse a very light-touch medical reassignment system to get cheaper car insurance, men will abuse a self-id system to gain access to women's intimate spaces, and we will see vulnerable women sexually harassed in the showers, [[https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-keep-sex-segregated-areas-sex-segregated lesbians assaulted for refusing male advances, and worse being done to women and girls by males whilst hidden cameras capture the lot for later use as monetised porn.

Gah, link broke.

"With self-id, it will be easier for males to gain access to female spaces and sex crimes against women and girls in public spaces will become more widespread and will escalate beyond filming women as they pee, because if a Canadian man will abuse a very light-touch medical reassignment system to get cheaper car insurance, men will abuse a self-id system to gain access to women's intimate spaces, and we will see vulnerable women sexually harassed in the showers, lesbians assaulted for refusing male advances, and worse being done to women and girls by males whilst hidden cameras capture the lot for later use as monetised porn."

And it will be hard for law enforcement to go after the camera operators and watchers of the porn crime footage, assuming that the police even notice that the cameras are there, because of the anonymising nature of TOR and cryptocurrencies.

It's decades since I saw anyone quote Mao in support of an argument. It quite takes me back, so charmingly retro.

Ah yes, how did that old ditty go?

^But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
Everyone will agree with you and you'll win the argument!^

Finn thinks we're in the minority...no, they just have friends in high places and with deep pockets.

I note the absence of any concern at all for women from Finn's post.

Surprising.

I take it none of Finn's siblings that Finn wants to stand by and protect are women (old style ones).

That is a pretty horrifying landscape there, HaXXor . It galvanises me to do more to stop this before we're too far down the path.