Jess Bradley, first transgender student officer, suspended after flashing photos

[CaitlynsCat]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

"Shocking images on the site show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage, in a public park and at a bus stop.

Another photograph shows male genitals being exposed in an office close to a curved wooden desk that is strikingly similar to a picture of a work desk that Ms Bradley posted on her Facebook page. "

The photo have been archived on archive.is, you can search there under the domain exhbitionizm.tumblr.com and include lots of flashing shots.

Bradley has commented:

" I appreciate at this time there is a lot of speculation about my conduct and I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent. "

yes yes I do see issue with that, and if that is what is being proposed then I will take issue with it but that is not what is being proposed

Can you expand please?

"Idiot" is certainly an interesting way to describe an exhibitionist with a fondness for getting their cock out in public.

It must feel like great power to FORCE women to lie

Don’t just look at what’s being proposed - look at what the CONSEQUENCES of it are.

If I proposed free gold bars for everyone we’d all be delighted, but the country would be broke (and there’s physically not enough metal on the planet.)

Consequences. Loopholes. Risks. Safeguarding

bespin, that's very useful, and probably necessary because due to this kind of (sadly inevitable and not all the first) misdemeanor of a problematic trans person.
Because of the juggernaut of Transactivism, trans people who are understandably horrified by this sort of thing are likely to face a backlash from the public who haven't taken the time to investigate the nuances largely because TRAs have been shutting down and shaming all those who have tried.

Bespin - if you have a “massive issue” with what the people representing the trans community are saying, what are you doing about it? Because just posting on here (if that’s all you’re doing) doesn’t seem to be a very effective strategy for dealing with that problem.

It does demonstrate a certain mentality though - pushy, egocentric, rules don't apply to me/I can do what I want and you will have to accept it, brass neck, 'look a meeee' with a dash of power-craziness, plus a delight in telling everyone else what to think/do whilst having a rather aggressive attitude to those who don't agree.

And an huge entitlement attitude.

Just like a woman eh?

see heres the thing having been round the scene for a long time I have meet a lot of the men you are worried about and they worry me too. they are not trans in the sence that they need to legally identify as woman. I want checks in place that make it certain that you are commuting to this and not just doing it on a wime. I just want it to be less intrusive and complex relying on a panel that never meets you to decide. I'm really not wanting much more but I will not be stopping living my life like everyone else. I don't have anything that can harm other woman so by your definition I'm not a threat yet you still want me removed from the spaces where I am safe from this very thing.

Bespin, Edward Lord's consultation proposes that any man should be able to say they're trans & enter women's spaces.

The likes of Travis Alabanza, Eddie Izzard & Pips Bunce don't even identify as female but they already demand & get that access too.

If the plan is that anyone can self ID as female, even if they still present as male, then how, seriously, how - do you think anyone is going to stop men strolling in anywhere they want?

And Jess Bradley, up to now, was one of the top trans spokespeople. Sky News, Government consultations, everything.

Exactly how do you propose we keep predators out while letting the harmless ones in? And "call the police if there's a problem" is not a sufficient answer.

just want it to be less intrusive and complex relying on a panel that never meets you to decide

Why is that such a problem? If you have gender dysphoria it should be able to be evidenced.

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I have been on panels and worked for national orginasations for years I have attempted to temper some of the more radical views in this time. I now don't have the time due to work to commit more. I hope. that is enough for you

Bespin - if you have a “massive issue” with what the people representing the trans community are saying, what are you doing about it? Because just posting on here (if that’s all you’re doing) doesn’t seem to be a very effective strategy for dealing with that problem.

I was going to ask the same, especially given Bespin's extensive contributions to the FWR board discussions.

How do people get disability allowance or a sick note from the doctor? Do they just say 'I say so' or do the need to prove it?

I go sun myself on the beach for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose

I personally wish to thank Jess and all their supporters for doing a stellar job for gender critical feminists.

Why is that such a problem? If you have gender dysphoria it should be able to be evidenced.

you would think won't you but the panel seem to make it really hard to show it effectively through lots of paperwork and still can refuse even when you have lived your life like this for years.

I want checks in place that make it certain that you are commuting to this and not just doing it on a wime.

But whatever checks are or aren't in place, what difference will that make in a public toilet or a leisure centre changing room when there's currently no way to even challenge somebody? Are you actually expecting women to ask to see a GRC & for the person to then either produce it or leave?

When you see a report of official statistics saying six women have been convicted of rape in the last year, well, either that's a sudden and massive spike in the number of cases under "common enterprise", or quite a few of those six women are in fact in possession of penises.

Anyone fancy putting in an FOI request on how many of these women rapists are natal females? To whom should such a request be addressed?

Actually it's not just having a penis which makes men a threat to women's spaces. They tend to be stronger than teenage girls for a start. Some will want to stare even if they cannot follow through as it were. If they have taken hormones, no longer have a penis and under current English law have moved over I can live with it i.e current English law is a reasonable compromise but not otherwise. I think some of these transpeople who were men or however we describe it don't know women's lived experience of being subject to every day sexism by men day in day out, shut up, talked over, pushed around by men. It is veyr hard for the average man to understand that. so there i a gulf in understanding about these issued between men and women

I'm sure that info will be blocked (if not now, I'm sure someone is working on it)

have meet a lot of the men you are worried about and they worry me too. they are not trans in the sence that they need to legally identify as woman.

Generic ‘you’ applies to the rest of this post.

Don’t you see that’s the problem? You can’t say that nobody’s sex can be accurately described because it’s an act of violence and then later say ‘oh yeah but they weren’t really trans...’

You can’t decide to interpret figures on children being diagnosed with GID and then say ‘oh yeah but they were really just GNC not trans..’

You can’t rain down abuse on women for not instantly affirming and validating anyone who decides they’re now a woman then turn around when they are allegedly caught doing something like wanking in public and say ‘oh but they’re not really trans...’

Jess Bradley is demanding an end to medical gatekeeping You can’t demand an end to all medical gatekeeping and then come out with stuff like ‘oh but they’re not really trans..’

The lack of internally consistent logic on one side of this debate is stunning. And it’s not the gender critical side.

No true Scotsman indeed

EmpressOfSpartacus this logic makes no sence what do you normally do if someone is committing a offence. if they are not then are they not just using the toilet. what offence do you think I would be committing if I used the same toilet as you?

This thread had me at Geneva Convention 😂
You couldn't make it up. Well you could try but nobody would believe you.
This should be in AIBU because genuinely NOONE in real life (well mine anyway) is really aware of the whole GRA/self id/ misgendering lady penis malarkey.
Honestly. If you don't hang about on Twitter or read the Guardian or the Times it really is under the radar.
All most people think is that we are inclusive of poor old transsexual people now and we mustn't be prejudiced.
They don't know about fully formed heterosexual men in knickers wanting the legal right to go in places where vulnerable women and children are.
I tried to tell a male friend (who couldn't be less interested) about self id and changing rooms/shelters etc.
He was like WTF?? And then said "look, if I go in the men's locker room and theres a bloke in a dress or make up I'm going to ignore him and try not to stare. If I catch him following my teenage daughter into the female changing area I'm going to deck him". End of conversation.
I'm not saying that's right just that that's what the majority of men would think.
I don't think that men's facilities (other than prisons where a 3rd space is needed) are more dangerous for transwomen OR men who like to wear frocks.

I'll probably get deleted now for whatever reason because I can't train myself to not tell the truth. Whatever.
Please keep making me laugh x

ToeToToe An interesting response to Helen Lewis' thread from a woman with a lot of knowledge about gender issues:

twitter.com/sarahrutherfor2/status/1023851718507941888

I don't want a end to medical gatekeeping I want a better system that is not medical gatekeeping I agree that there needs to be a gate. the acts agree there needs to be a gate and I strongly. suspect that this consultation will agree that too it's about what gate is there and how much infulance medical staff have on this

FloralBunting in no way is that a defence I think they are a total idiot for doing what they did

This ^^ is why you're a threat Bespin. You think that men exposing themselves in public is idiotic. Women think men exposing themselves in public is very frightening. It's on the same spectrum as any other crime that violates women's consent.

You're supporting laws that allows that to happen when women and children are naked.

It's nothing to do with your physical risk to women. Your views are a risk.