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Jess Bradley, first transgender student officer, suspended after flashing photos

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CaitlynsCat · 29/07/2018 02:50

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

"Shocking images on the site show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage, in a public park and at a bus stop.

Another photograph shows male genitals being exposed in an office close to a curved wooden desk that is strikingly similar to a picture of a work desk that Ms Bradley posted on her Facebook page. "

The photo have been archived on archive.is, you can search there under the domain exhbitionizm.tumblr.com and include lots of flashing shots.

Bradley has commented:

" I appreciate at this time there is a lot of speculation about my conduct and I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent. "

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EmpressOfSpartacus · 30/07/2018 10:59

Bespin, what I mean is that if someone's exposing themselves in the changing room when I'm just out of the shower, or films me in the toilet when I'm peeing, then I can grab my mobile & dial 999 but by the time the police arrive that person will probably either be long gone or have hit me & grabbed my phone.

Also, the "just call the police" argument works equally well when transwomen say they can't use the men's for fear of being attacked. In that situation everything is fine because they can simply call the police. Yes?

Ereshkigal · 30/07/2018 11:00

you would think won't you but the panel seem to make it really hard to show it effectively through lots of paperwork and still can refuse even when you have lived your life like this for years

Then why not make improvements to the panel system so it works better rather than push for self declaration?

Bespin · 30/07/2018 11:01

Datun what word would you like me to use I am trying to be polite on a public forum. would it helped if I swore more. they are a fucking cock womble are you happy now

Wanderabout · 30/07/2018 11:03

Then why not make improvements to the panel system so it works better rather than push for self declaration?

Exactly.

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/07/2018 11:03

I don't want a end to medical gatekeeping I want a better system that is not medical gatekeeping

That is an end to medical gatekeeping

Bespin · 30/07/2018 11:04

Ereshkigal

that's what I'm trying to do but it seems to have been hijacked into this other thing that it is not by both sides of this debate. I think when we finally get this it will be another mishmash of views that will be hard to use.

Nuffaluff · 30/07/2018 11:04

bespin
No, the point is that you don’t see why Jess Bradley is a threat to women and girls.
You think they are an idiot for getting caught doing this or actually doing it.
You don’t seem to understand the true implications of the very real threat to the safety of females.

Wanderabout · 30/07/2018 11:05

I don't want a end to medical gatekeeping I want a better system that is not medical gatekeeping

Replacing medical gatekeeping would be an end to medical gatekeeping.

hackmum · 30/07/2018 11:05

"Fucking cockwomble"? Well, no, not really. "Pervert" might be one place you could start.

SlothSlothSloth · 30/07/2018 11:07

Isn’t Jess Bradley in a relationship with a female-bodied person? A “nonbinary” trans man. So I’m not sure she was really originally a gay man as some here have said?

I normally consider people’s orientations completely irrelevant, but in the case of trans women it is very important. It is the female-attracted trans women, as far as i can see, who are causing literally ALL of the problems. I would be interested to know if JB fits that pattern.

BeUpStanding · 30/07/2018 11:07

I don't want a end to medical gatekeeping I want a better system that is not medical gatekeeping

That is an end to medical gatekeeping

That made me actually howl with laughter! From the ridiculous to the sublime. You could not make this shit up.

Ereshkigal · 30/07/2018 11:07

"Concerning sexual fetishist"?

Wanderabout · 30/07/2018 11:07

The GRA allows a small number of transexuals to access women's spaces and rights for medical reasons

Why on earth should we change the law to allow any man who says so to take advantage of this instead?

Bespin · 30/07/2018 11:07

Bowlofbabelfish

I think out view of medical gatekeeping is diffent. I am more. think that when I was told I could not have children or that my wife would be better off devorcing me that the level of gatekeeping was too. hi when I had been on hormones for months and changed. my name a year ago and the consultant would not write my passport. letter because I didn't tick a box was too much.

one of us as experiance of jumping through these hoops the other does not

NameChangedAgain18 · 30/07/2018 11:08

I have just realised that Edward Lord is a massive transphobe. Apparently they are happy for trans women to retain membership of the Freemasons. Surely if Lord believed that transwomen really are women, Lord wouldn’t accept the idea of them being Freemasons? Literal violence, right there!

LangCleg · 30/07/2018 11:08

you would think won't you but the panel seem to make it really hard to show it effectively through lots of paperwork and still can refuse even when you have lived your life like this for years

If that were true, it would be a good thing. Anyone wanting a legal document giving them access to women's spaces should consider this to be a very important privilege to be given when male pattern offending rates are as they are and when #metoo has shown how many women are adversely affected by horrendous and life-changing experiences with male pattern offending. Anyone upset or offended by this wouldn't be thinking about anyone but themselves, would they? They certainly wouldn't be giving two shits about women.

But it's not true, is it? And if you don't believe me, here's GIRES on the subject:

The GRP is definitely minded to grant applications, wherever legally possible, which is why directions are given rather than making final decisions which might not be in favour of the applicant. So despite the high rate of requests for further information very few applications actually fail outright. In most cases the issues are around information not being submitted correctly, the most common one of late being the stat dec form not being filled out correctly and/or not witnessed and signed in the prescence of someone qualified to do so.

So please. Let's not spread disinformation.

Datun · 30/07/2018 11:09

Datun what word would you like me to use I am trying to be polite on a public forum. would it helped if I swore more. they are a fucking cock womble are you happy now

You can change your description at my prodding, all you like.

You have twice, on this thread, called the actions of Bradley something like idiotic or silly.

That's not what it is. It's threatening. And it's a real threat.

This person has shown, blatantly, over and over that they get excited by ignoring women's consent.

That's what getting your cock out in public IS.

It's not done in front of men, is it?

I'm sure that you think it's 'not good', but you do not have the visceral level of outrage and fear that it prompts in women.

Which is why, when you are weighing up the two sides of this debate, you don't get it.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/07/2018 11:09

Cosigning everything Datun said. It's very obvious when someone born male gets this and when they do not. It's also very obvious when they're weighing the needs of women and girls (50% of the population) against what would make life easiest for them and considering those to be of equal weight, or the needs of women and girls (again, 50% of the population) to be less important.

Anyone who's been involved in designing the process we have now has already demonstrated that they are incapable of or unwilling to place sufficient value on the needs of women and girls, so I see no reason why having been involved in that process should count in their favor.

theOtherPamAyres · 30/07/2018 11:09

On the subject of dismissing the conduct one feminine-trans as an impostor (slothslothsloth above)......

The public interest story is fourfold, I think:

  1. The attempts to silence the press and other media
  2. The (as yet unsubstantiated) public allegations from a whistleblower that Trans organisation have known, kept silent and protected this and other individuals.
  3. The subject's influence on policy-makers and in the training of public/private sector organisations and workers
4 The subject's conduct towards women as a prominent campaigner, demonstrator, speaker and representative in the light of what we now know.

It is in the public interest that the media ought not to be obstructed in asking the hard questions that MPs, the NHS, the NUS, LBG groups, local councils etc seem reluctant to explore.

I, for one, want answers about a whole lot of other things - not just JB.

VickyEadie · 30/07/2018 11:10

bespin

No, the point is that you don’t see why Jess Bradley is a threat to women and girls. You think they are an idiot for getting caught doing this or actually doing it. You don’t seem to understand the true implications of the very real threat to the safety of females.

A sizeable chunk of the transwomen community appears not to get this at all, despite being women...

Ereshkigal · 30/07/2018 11:10

Surely if Lord believed that transwomen really are women, Lord wouldn’t accept the idea of them being Freemasons? Literal violence, right there!

Exactly this. Lord doesn't believe it any more than anyone else does. We're all just playing out this ridiculous charade where we can't call a spade a spade.

BadassUnicorn · 30/07/2018 11:11

No one is judging all trans people, we are simply saying, "Hold on, one of the influential trans people pushing for access to women's spaces is a creepy cock waver - this is alarming and perfectly illustrates our concerns"

^^That's it in a nutshell.

But of course, when women say such a thing it must mean they unreasonable and TERFs Hmm We must let the creepy cock wavers of the world get their own way. Women should know by now that being born with a penis gives you the right to do whatever you want and not be challenged, especially not by those born without one. How dare we Angry

EmpressOfSpartacus · 30/07/2018 11:12

one of us as experiance of jumping through these hoops the other does not

Yes. Transwomen do not have the same experiences as women.

Bespin · 30/07/2018 11:12

LangCleg totally with you on this thats what I want for it to be simpler not a lot of requesting information. not a charge for doing it not a written letter from my partner. I am happy to have checks in place. if the nhs service did not have a 5-7 year wait then I would be fine with grater medical input I do not think. waiting 5-7 years to get legal rights is exceptable

Bowlofbabelfish · 30/07/2018 11:13

alleged fucking cockwomble or indeed alleged pervert as they may be, this isn’t ‘a mistake’ to be sighed over. It’s exactly the reasons why women are worried about self ID. It shows exactly why we don’t want to give up our sex based spaces and exactly why it’s important to define and delineate between sex and gender.

A cock out in public may be a minor inconvenience to you, but to women and children it’s an active threat.

You should also look at the escalation pattern associated with many offenders who start out flashing. It’s a classic boundary-push. Then it’s not enough, and the behaviour very often escalates.

And this person, who has allegedly been caught with their penis out in public spaces, is lobbying for reduced boundaries for women. And we are bigots for not agreeing.

This isn’t OK.