Jess Bradley, first transgender student officer, suspended after flashing photos

[CaitlynsCat]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

"Shocking images on the site show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage, in a public park and at a bus stop.

Another photograph shows male genitals being exposed in an office close to a curved wooden desk that is strikingly similar to a picture of a work desk that Ms Bradley posted on her Facebook page. "

The photo have been archived on archive.is, you can search there under the domain exhbitionizm.tumblr.com and include lots of flashing shots.

Bradley has commented:

" I appreciate at this time there is a lot of speculation about my conduct and I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent. "

Can we please stop saying that only someone with a penis can commit rape as it's not legally correct. Women can, under very specific circumstances, be charged and convicted with rape. Stating that only men or trans women can correct rape is legally incorrect and makes easy pickings for people who want to see MN banned.

I'm sure a legal bid with be along soon to explain it from a legal standpoint.

However... How many women have been accused/convicted or rape as a % of men?

I'm going to guess less that 1%.

Joint enterprise. There has to be a penis involved. That is laid out in law.

I agree that it's a tiny minority, I think hubby has only investigated 1. BUT using falsehoods in an argument, just makes it easy for TRAs to yell transphobic.

There was a thread a while back about they go low so we go high and part of that is making sure that arguments are factually correct.

Jess Bradley was the stress test for amending the GRA to allow self I'D. The stress test failed (In a way that was entirely predictable but at least we have another practical example).

No women or child should be put at risk, not one woman or child should be acceptable as collateral damage.

Cases of women being charged with rape in the UK are vanishingly rare. Women can - in very rare circumstances - be charged with rape as an accessory to the crime, eg. holding a woman down and facilitating.

However, it is clearly stated in UK law that rape is committed with a penis.

98% of all sexual offences are committed by men. The number of women sex offenders in UK prisons is very, very low.

Perhaps trans women can only be rapists by joint enterprise, then? ie. their lady brain used their penis to commit the crime. Note that it was the lady brain that did it, not the peen. Ergo, women have just as great a capacity for evil as men! #translogic

I've missed that, how can women rape?

For there to be a conviction for rape there has to have been a penis involved. A woman cannot be charged or convicted of rape unless she is in a joint enterprise with a man.

At no point have I said that women are as greater threat as men. I pointed out that, legally, a woman can be charged with rape.

We know that TRAs use muddling of the law to confuse and misinterpret. I just feel that it is essential that it's not done from the FWR perspective. It makes these boards easy pickings for people who want them closed.

I wonder when Prick News are going to cover it?

PN and specifically Benjamin Cohen were very focussed on Andrew Gilligan and The Times yesterday following the article about The City of London Consultation.
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320557-City-of-Londons-sneaky-Consultation-to-end-its-Single-Sex-Spaces-in-Sunday-Times

Pink News:
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/29/the-sunday-times-comes-under-fire-for-scaremongering-and-anti-trans-article-on-womens-toilets/

Andrew Gilligan & Benjamin Cohen
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1023586297989025794

Andrew Gilligan also criticised by many prominant TRAs in response to the article who are demonstrating support of Edward Lord

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/1023506373445910528

recent relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317922-City-of-London-Corporation-consultation-is-out-this-covers-Hampstead-Ponds

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants

missed, as described above, in very rare cases, a woman can be charged with rape, if she has (for example) assisted in restraining a victim while they are raped by a person with a penis.

I once found a newspaper article on such a case but I now can’t find it, which just goes to show how unusual it is.

Fourthly are we at war now? Or have we always been at war with Oceania? OH MY GOD this is why the stockpiling threads are up on chat isn’t it?

OMG Bowl, I actually shrieked with laughter. Or was that a cackle?

And then I watched ol' Jess play the part of the silver ball, in a pin ball machine. I am lucky I didn't do myself any damage.

Are we able to establish how many women convicted of rape were convicted as a result of joint enterprise or because the women raped with their own penis.

With crimes being recorded based on gender rather than biological sex it might be difficult to get to the truth?

I agree that it's a tiny minority, I think hubby has only investigated 1. BUT using falsehoods in an argument, just makes it easy for TRAs to yell transphobic.

Oh goodness, madvixen, do calm the farm over your one case exception.

And most of the female (genuine female) sex offenders in prison were in partnership with a male or males.

In England and Wales, the specific charge of 'Rape' is only applicable to a person with a penis as the crime specifically involves it.

There are other charges which can be made under the Seual Offences Act etc.

Scottish law is different.

It's accurate to say a penis is needed to rape though. Joint enterprise is possible in all crimes.

So the actual rate of SOLO female (genuine female) sex offenders would be less than 1%.

And if more actual male rapists actually did get convicted, that "less than 2%" figure for females (the genuine kind) would plummet even lower, as to be even more statistically insignificant than it is now.

Rape and sexual offences - very much a dude thing. Frock or no frock.
Victim pool? Women and children (and two thirds of those children are the female kind).

I think I just may^ have spotted a trend, what do you think?

Yes I mean even Myra Hindley and Rose West, who are always rolled out as examples of, 'women who do it too', committed their crimes alongside a man (I am not excusing or minimising their crimes here by the way, nor am I equating in any way what Jess Bradley has done with their crimes just to be clear here!).

It's actually quite difficult to find examples of women who have committed those sorts of crimes entirely alone. And those crimes are not rape because, as has been said above, a penis needs to be involved somewhere for a conviction of rape.

Again, I am not minimising the crimes of women who have carried out that sort of thing.

But I am fucking sick of the 'women do this stuff too' argument as a reason to let blokes into women's spaces.

It's a truly specious argument.

Testerical should be included in the dictionary

It's now in my internal dictionary. Thanks La Squirrel

(I have been away and am on day 2 of my 2 day hangover because a) I don't normally drink and b) I'm too old to mix my drinks and have that many cocktails ) so I've missed this thread - which frankly is the thread that keeps on giving.

Whoever said upthread it would be worthwhile digging on the other TRA in positions of power (re advising government etc.) I agree since I'm sure this won't be the last problematic person in their ranks. That isn't to say of course that all trans are an issue for women no more than ALL men are but we safeguard on the basis that SOME men are and to avoid them being in places where women are vulnerable. It is called prevention and it is reasonable. I'm not sure why reason has left the building when it comes to this particular issue. I could speculate at money and influential friends but someone needs to stand up and show this for what it is.

I am fascinated but not surprised that one shouting the loudest about dismantling safeguarding (under the guise that this would never happen) is the one making it happen.

I hope to God this post makes sense as I'm not at my best today.

I see your Geneva Convention, and I raise you a Shadow Proclamation! Everyone knows that women who dare to hold the line against creeps with cocks will be transported to the moon, sealed in an air bubble and catalogued by space rhinos until the most vocal women are incinerated.

Seen an unwanted penis recently? Remember intergalactic treaties, please, before you complain!

But on the plus side

I didn't invoke The Geneva Convention.

It made sense to me Kitty.
I didn't 'invent' "testerical", just picked it up along the way.

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