Jess Bradley, first transgender student officer, suspended after flashing photos

[CaitlynsCat]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

"Shocking images on the site show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage, in a public park and at a bus stop.

Another photograph shows male genitals being exposed in an office close to a curved wooden desk that is strikingly similar to a picture of a work desk that Ms Bradley posted on her Facebook page. "

The photo have been archived on archive.is, you can search there under the domain exhbitionizm.tumblr.com and include lots of flashing shots.

Bradley has commented:

" I appreciate at this time there is a lot of speculation about my conduct and I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent. "

^^ I read that as 'happiness' and started the ear worm, "Happiness, happiness, the greatest gift that I possess" but - I suppose for some people the other way works too...

@likeacrow

But then the stuff I read on here suggests there are more sinister motives for some transsexuals and a potential threat to women, which I find worrying. But then I think shit, this is probably exactly what people felt about gay people back in the day: fear whipped up with the help of tabloids.

Gay people never had an agenda which involved eroding women's rights. They never demanded that sex segregated spaces should effectively be abolished. They never demanded access to women's spaces.

I do know what you mean. I consider myself pretty liberal. But this is different. By all means trans people can campaign for third spaces and to ensure that they are not discriminated against in the work place etc. What they cannot do is expect others to give up their rights.

@likeacrow

I completely fail to see any comparison with the battles faced by gay people.

btw how do you feel about Rachel Dozelal? (sp?)

As per my earlier example, can I "identify" into retirement housing? Or even student housing? If not, then why can a man "identify" as a woman and then gain access to woman's bathrooms etc?

If someone who was born, raised and always lived in New York said to you "I identify as a true Cockney" - it might not matter on a practical level but surely you would think they were mad?

I think a separate thread might be a good idea Oleannas...I will get on to that.

The trans rights movement is only really comparable to religious rights. LGB people simply want to be able to love who we wish (I'm bi), and to be able to able to have access to the same institutions as everyone else, and to protections from discrimination on the basis of being LGB etc.

Whereas trans people can already do all of those things, but what they want is to have their identity - based on a belief system - validated by everyone else.

So they don't just want to be able to practice their beliefs like all religious adherents, but they want everyone else to adopt the same beliefs. It is zealotry basically. And as we all know it is rooted, ultimately, in misogyny and male entitlement.

And most people just don't see it. Most people still think trans rights is about males and females being able to gender non-conform, and think that rejecting the mantra that 'transwomen are women' equates to rejecting the idea that males who connect with/perform femininity should be accepted at all. We still have a huge job on our hands in raising awareness of what is actually happening....

Lady jane. Grey pen is well and and truly on the ducking table

Yes I think private eye will pick it up too Fekko

They have criticised Carter Ruck quite a lot in the past and refer to them as Carter Fuck. When Carter Ruck asked them to stop they did... and instead called them Fartter Fuck

I thought for ages that Carter Ruck was a joke name (in the thick of it-esque)

Jess Bradley was one of a limited number of people who were invited to give evidence to Maria Miller's transgender equality inquiry.

So the basis for the review of the GRA and making it easier to get into womens safe spaces is in large part based on testimony from someone who apparently gets their jollies exposing themselves in public

AND posting it online for a wider audience.

I am so close to joining the daily mail and start trolling. My first would be I don’t know why the femanazi and lesbians get so upset. It is a lady Penis so it is safe. It isn’t a rapy penis...

I don't think anyone wants to touch it

Words that Jess could do with hearing...

😂😂😂

Yeah. I'm with those who say that what TRAs want is not comparable to gay "liberation" (for want of a better word). What they want is to supplant women and claim womanhood for themselves.

And since I'm on a sweary streak (though I rarely swear either online or in real life) TRAs can fuck themselves, too.

@Likeacrow - this was a screenshot on another thread and might help you understand why people are concerned and why this just isn't like the struggle faced by gay people (who are equally in the firing line of the TRA agenda anyway). The bit at the bottom makes the exact point that this is unlike any other civil rights movement BECAUSE it is focused on removing the rights of women and girls.

Here is a list of the Human Rights of Women that transactivism is eliminating.

No one is saying trans-identified individuals should not have rights (civil protections such as housing, employment, etc), but what IS wrong is that transactivists are erasing females as a protected sex class and erasing the sex-based protections of women and girls.

Read this list - and wonder. And then, get angry. Here is the list, prepared by Gallus Mag, a blogger and writer in the women's community...

Removing the legal right of women to organise politically against sex-based oppression by males.

Removing the legal right of women to assemble outside the presence of men.

Removing the legal right of women to educational programs created for women outside the presence of men.



Eliminating data collection of sex-based inequalities in areas where females are underrepresented.

Elimination of sex-based crime statistics.



Elimination of athletic programs and sports competition for women and girls.



Removing the legal right of women to be free from the presence of men in areas of public accommodation where nudity occurs. 



Elimination of grants, scholarships, board and trustee designations, representative positions and affirmative programs for women.



Removing the legal right of women to create reproductive clinics, rape crisis services, support groups, or any organisation for females. 



Eliminating media and all public discourse for females. 



Removal of the right of journalists to report sex, and history, of subjects. 


Eliminating the legal right of lesbians to congregate publicly.



Elimination of lesbian-specific organisations and advocacy groups. 



Removing the legal right of women to free speech related to sex roles and gender. 



Elimination of the legal right of women to protection from state-enforced sex roles (appearance / behaviour / thought). 



Elimination fo the legal right of girls to protection from state-enforced sex-roles in public education. 



Elimination from the patient right of dependent females to hospital / facility bed assignments separate from males. 



Elimination of the right of dependent females to prefer female providers fo their immediate personal care requirements. 



Elimination foo the human right of female prisoners under state confinement to be housed separately from male prisoners. 



Unlike any other social justice movement in history, the contemporary push for "transgender rights" (as it is currently being played out) are unique in that they are based on eliminating the sex-based rights and protections of women and girls - M

Personally I don't care what sex you are, or what gender you identify as, or if you want to be known as he, she, they, or however else.

None of that means it's okay to get your genitals out at work or in public and take a picture for your blog. It's unprofessional and unnecessary. Stop it.

@LighthouseSouth

The comparison I was making was that the element of fear that women feel about transsexuals (e.g. transsexuals invading women's spaces) seems reminiscent of the fear people used to feel about homosexuals (especially men, e.g. equating homosexuality with paedophilia) and that fear being exploited, and in part created, by the tabloid press.

Because I've never had any negative experiences with transsexuals invading female spaces, or know anyone who has, I'm wary of blindly believing that there is a real threat to women and I want to think live and let live.

However the fact that intelligent, informed feminists are very clear on their position is what leads me to think... well I don't know what to think!

I hope I'm explaining myself properly there.

I don't understand why you are using arguments that are not used on this board, and ignoring the ones that are.

Self ID has no gatekeeping. Do you understand that?
Do you think that no predatory male will misuse self ID?

likeacrow

Basically woman-up and develop some critical thinking skills. Those who balance on the fence too long are less than admirable. Some people don't have a clue what's going on yet, so fair enough, they still think transexuals are like on the Panorama programme 35 years ago.

You've been given information which would have peaktransed my mum god rest her soul. Are you worried about doing the right thing or are you worried about doing the right thing for you?

@UpstartCrow

I'm lost sorry.

I'm not really arguing either way, I'm explaining my thought process. If anything I'm being swayed towards agreeing with transsexuals not being allowed in female only spaces.

Because I've never had any negative experiences with transsexuals invading female spaces, or know anyone who has, I'm wary of blindly believing that there is a real threat to women and I want to think live and let live.

Ah, but it's not the 'transsexuals' who are frightening - it's the ones who represent the vast panoply of 'otherness' that Stonewall lumps under its 'trans' umbrella.

This includes fetishists, exhibitionists and others whose rationale for calling themselves 'trans' isn't really about anything but placing women in danger and removing our rights as a sex.

Are you worried about doing the right thing or are you worried about doing the right thing for you?

What? No idea. You'll have to explain further!

I usually have pretty strong views on most things, I'm just conflicted about this. Like I say, I'm swaying towards the general consensus on here as the arguments/explanations do make sense.

This is starting to sound uncannily like 'help me understand'.

I'm not sure its the right thread for this discussion, there are suitable threads on the board. One is called something like 'lay it out for me'.

likeacrow, yes, I understand your thought process. But we are posting on a thread about a TRA being investigated for flashing her penis in public and posting pictures of that activity on the web. This is the time to screw your courage to the sticking place and acknowledge that this is precisely the reason we do not want anyone to have access to single sex spaces just on their own say so.

Hats off to the whistleblower NoMoreSilence

Their tweets say that there is ongoing cover up of 'trans abusers' within trans organisations.

They seem to be saying that people knew about the conduct but thought it best to stay silent. The cover up was something that they could not stomach, in view of JB's high profile and access to the most vulnerable.

It is very much in the public interest that the suggestion of a cover up be investigated further. We may be talking about charities, campaigning groups or other publicly funded bodies here.

Who knew about JB but kept it under wraps?

Will LBG and other organisations heed the call to 'out' the fetishists hiding in plain sight as transwomen? Or will they continue the cover up?

we are posting on a thread about a TRA being investigated for flashing her penis in public and posting pictures of that activity on the web. This is the time to screw your courage to the sticking place and acknowledge that this is precisely the reason we do not want anyone to have access to single sex spaces just on their own say so.

Indeed. Now give me a moment to stop my eyeballs rolling at the phrase "flashing her penis in public*...

I've got a question. How do feminists feel about being on the same "side" as publications such as the Daily Mail in this debate? (Just seen BoreOfWhabylon's link). Is there a conflict there? It's a genuine question from a genuine female with no axe to grind, just really interested.

You’re misunderstanding what ‘side’ means. The DM is a mass market paper - it’s the middle aimed one of the UK murdoch stable and it has a huge circulation. Sometimes it publishes utter dross, sometimes it gets it spot on. Agreeing with one article in a paper doesn’t mean you’re some sort of lifelong devotee to it. It means you agree with an article in the press. There is no ‘side’ there.

The need to categorise everyone into ‘goodies’ and ‘baddies’ and to laud the former whilst castigating the latter is a bit daft. Except it’s actually fairly worrying, because:

1. It’s a classic type of thought that is associated with cluster B type personality disorders.
2. It’s a symptom of the extreme ID politics we are suffering with at the moment
3. It shows a lack of nuanced critical thought

And most worryingly 4. It’s used as a rhetorical device to slur ones opponent in a debate. “You agree with the daily mail, you monster.!”

UpstartCrow

You're probably right; not the right thread!

It has helped me understand though! And I do feel women's spaces and rights need protecting.

Can I just ask one more question though then I'll fuck off... Do women who identify as men want access to "male only" spaces too or not so much?