Daughter with ROGD - issues with school

[Hoggirl765]

My daughter presents with ROGD. Her school is going forward with affirming this by way of calling her by her boys name and male pronouns. That's all so far. This despite our repeated requests to step back and watch and wait - to go at our pace as a family (basically back off). She has had a lot of emotional upheaval in her short life and has always found it hard to fit in. We have found a wonderful counsellor and that's all we're prepared to do at present. She is just 14 and at present is very enthusiastic and keyed into her school work and in general seems happy. No self harm etc. The school have caused us as a family so much unnecessary stress and then said that's it you'll have to wait til September now. If it wasn't for the excellent teaching we would be moving her. Has anyone else has experiences with unsupportive, insensitive or unsympathetic schools?

We have a thread about a specific individual - the son of the OP - who according to the OP presently identifies as male. Deliberately misgendering a specific person - as several posters have done - is against Talk Guidelines and, doing it to a child, is shocking to see. People can offer support to the OP - which under Talk Guidelines can include expressing concern about transition - but that does not and cannot give them the right to misgender the OP's child. This is a public forum and the child has rights to respect for his presently professed gender identity (as declared by the OP).

If people want to misgender the child, they should take that discussion somewhere private.

Actually I think you are wrong. The child is not on here asking to be called a male. The parent is asking for advice. The child is unknown. I don’t think the child has asked the parent. It is a scenario

But if what you say is right on the eyes of mumsnet sure wouldn’t that get you off the hook and get this thread deleted because then you can erase everything ounce of crap you said.
Just like you are trying to erase our kids

I have reported your abusive posts, Snappity.
I hope your vile treatment of this OP finally wakes MN up to just how persistently verbally abusive you are toward women on this site.

(Hugs), TruthWillWin. I think we can all see how unfair the way you're being treated here is, and how appalling it is that it's happening on a forum for mothers.

Please don't delete the thread, MNHQ. People need to see how worried mothers are being treated by aggressive trans activists, and how every single space they have in which to discuss their concerns and support each other is being systematically targeted and shut down. It's not right, and the public has a right to know that it's happening.

The thread is about the op’s daughter, Snappity. Do keep up. As she only uses s male identity at school (and last time I checked, we weren’t seated in rows with chalk being lobbed at us) her identity is female. She hasn’t transitioned. She’s seeing a good counsellor who can give her some time to realize humans can’t change sex.
You sound horribly like the groomers who are desperately trying to lure kids away from their families, promising them a glitter family and eternal validation (with a side helping of double mastectomy and sterilization). It’s creepy. HTH.

And if your partner is putting you up to grooming kids online, I’d be asking why.

Birth to kids.
Excuse my typos. I get too enthusiastic

Ok, so I don't know a great deal about this issue, I do, however, teach in a primary school. Over the last decade or so, I've witnessed the gradual increase in the sexualisation of young girls in particular via the media. Girls are surrounded by images of other women who are celebrated because of how they look and what they wear as well as how they behave. Never more so than now are girls expected, indeed pressurised into conforming to a particular 'type' let's call it the Kardashian look. As a schoolgirl, we were not allowed to wear make up, short skirts, or indeed anything that would present us as 'women'. So if you were the type of girl who actually didn't want to do those things anyway, you were not made to feel different.
Now, girls who don't want to do the whole slug eyebrows, contouring make up, fake tan and micro mini dresses are absolutely made to feel different. If they believe that this is what being a girl is, then maybe, just maybe they will then identify as male.
It should not be about children believing they were born into the wrong body, but about children knowing they can present however they want, and not conform to a stereotype.
Very few people are born that are not one clear gender either male or female. To promote changing gender as a viable option for all is insulting to those people. Gender cannot be changed. How you present can. Just like race cannot be changed. Or hair colour, or eye colour or how tall you are. Any changes to these things are purely cosmetic. If I have my hair dyed, wear coloured contact lenses and paint myself dark brown, I won't suddenly become African! No matter how people address me. No matter what my passport says.
We should not be advocating a belief that you can change gender. We should, however, be advocating a society where you can be accepted in whatever what you choose to present yourself, taking gender out of the equation.
Someone mentioned anorexia earlier on. If your anorexic child stood in front of you and said they were obese, would you agree with them as an affirmation? Absolutely not. That would be a quick route to an early death. You would get professional help. You would actively discourage them accessing online forums that encourage their damaging thoughts. So do the same for gender dysphoria.

Bezm. We have regressed as a society. Our kids are under so much pressure. The Kardashian’s is a perfect example. I think we are more sexist than ever before. I have 2 boys. One is typically footy mad and the other is very much a sjw. The sjw is my trans identifyimg child and he hates the fact that males are so sexist. He doesn’t relate to the sporty masculine ideology so he thinks he doesn’t fit in with males.
I hope he finds his group of friends that can be males without the bravado. Until this happens he alights himself with females. I get this. Doesn’t make him female though. What the hell are we teaching our kids that they feel they are the Kardashian’s or the male equivalent. Very few people want those type on their life. I saouls live my son to be the type of guy woman want. Indeed he is that guy. He just needs a few more years of maturity to see this. At the moment bad guys rule but as most of us females know they are not the keepers. Let our kids mature and let them be. Give both our sons and daughters a chance to experience life without labels and drugs.
The drugs I worried about for my kids never had hormones attached.
Now this is my biggest fear.
Is this not weird?

Leave snappity alone, it's over and you going on and on distracts from the purpose of the thread.

OP - your 'watch and wait' idea is absolutely spot on. You and partner/husband are being good parents - supportive but being aware that things might change.

Well, the OP has unsurprisingly been frightened off. How disrespectful of Snappity to come onto a thread where a parent is asking for support and to accuse the parent of "deliberately misgendering". I would report it but believe that it's important to keep this this type of abusive behaviour on show - as evidence of what is happening.

Thank you to all those parents who have commented on the challenges of supporting their children in the face of the onslaught from activists determined that they know more about their children. Adults who attempt to insert their own beliefs in between children and their families and who try to alienate children from their parents by criticising them are not good people.

Mumsnet is a parenting support forum - the fact that some trans organisations are actively working to undermine parents and safeguarding should concern us all. And those who post determined to criticise and undermine parents really should consider whether Mumsnet is the place for them.

Leave snappity alone
Actually leave our kids alone. The Op can decide for themselves. You don’t need to be their voice the Op is perfectly capable of saying this if that’s how they feel. Are you Snappity’s partner ?
Snappily is out of line on this and from my understanding snappily us big enough to say if it is over. If Snapputy can’t cope fine. Let Snappity speak for themselves. I believe Snappity is strong enough to cope. If SnPpity asked you to intervene then I obviously have misread Snappity. I thought Snappity could give as much as Snappity could take. Pardon my stance. Is Snappity now feeling victimised. Welcome to my world welcome to real life agree someone challenges your view and sudddnly its like how am I gonna retort. Don’t spout it if you can’t take it. And no I won’t leave it alone. i refuse to be called an abuser of kids. I will happily challenge you and snappily. Stop acting as if you or snappilty are victims. You know exactly what you are doing. Are you Snappitys partner?

Typos

OP - your 'watch and wait' idea is absolutely spot on. You and partner/husband are being good parents - supportive but being aware that things might change

Hear hear.

And as for the likes of Snappity 🙄

But that said, Truthwillwin isn’t coming across very well either.

I think Snappity's input pretty much sums up the type of insidious grooming that young people are being subjected to online.

I hope MNHQ allows Snappity and Truthwillwin's debate on this thread to stand.

Actually I disagree. If you are going through what I am you would not say this. I think you probably need to be on this position to understand. It is easy being the outsider. Unless you can walk on my shoes you will understand. If you have then I apologise I think I am doing well and highlighting the nonsense a our kids are hearing. But I’m big enough not to care. I think you do me a disservice. If I’m not putting myself across on a politically correct way I can assure you this is intentional. Why? Because political correctness will not help our kids. We need to get back to truth. If you can’t handle this truththat is your right. My truth in my opinion trumps yours

Truthwillwin. Please don't get upset or further riled by the goading posts above. We parents can hear your anguish and you have our full support.

Those furthering the transagenda on threads such as this only serve to peak trans more lurkers.

That’s for Hattie

Thanks.

I can’t help it. Here is another parent who might be going through the shit that I’m dealing with and the likes of Snappity and her or his allies try to say we are abusive. Oh my lord I wish it was as easy as Snappity says. I wish this meant nothing to me. I wish I could stop crying and realise it is normal. I wish I could escape it all. I can’t.

Heartfelt testaments such as yours on threads like these are unbelievably powerful, Truthwillwin, and shine a spotlight on the grooming and potentially abusie nature of the transgender agenda.

(but what I really wish for you is some restful sleep)