Daughter with ROGD - issues with school

[Hoggirl765]

My daughter presents with ROGD. Her school is going forward with affirming this by way of calling her by her boys name and male pronouns. That's all so far. This despite our repeated requests to step back and watch and wait - to go at our pace as a family (basically back off). She has had a lot of emotional upheaval in her short life and has always found it hard to fit in. We have found a wonderful counsellor and that's all we're prepared to do at present. She is just 14 and at present is very enthusiastic and keyed into her school work and in general seems happy. No self harm etc. The school have caused us as a family so much unnecessary stress and then said that's it you'll have to wait til September now. If it wasn't for the excellent teaching we would be moving her. Has anyone else has experiences with unsupportive, insensitive or unsympathetic schools?

I am starting to feel that only women should be able to post in FWR.

BirthCanal

Total agree

yy Vix.

What definition of woman do you think MNHQ would use though?

It's a fucking disgrace.

What definition of woman do you think MNHQ would use though?

The one snappity agreed with

thanks Hoggirl765

right to adress this idea that this is compatible to anorexia.
the easiest way to demonstrate that they are not is in the treatment pathways basicly someone who is recovering from anorexia is still anorexic when they recover they only. learn the ways to manage this and they become the pattern over time of behaviour. for trans to be the same people would have to still know they were trans and work every day not to be. If you all want to continue conflate to different condition then please continue all you are doing to confirming it to other people that do not understand that there causes and treatment pathways are very different and to everyone else showing that you are not willing to even consider that you might be wrong about something.

I have considered that I might be wrong about this. But after consideration, I reckon I’m not...

Bespin
you are not willing to even consider that you might be wrong about something.

Have you considered you might be wrong about this?

I was anorexic as a teen, bespin.

from 14 - 19. I've been perfectly well since.

I "desisted". No treatment, no intervention, I just got used to myself, called a truce with my body and stopped. It's not something I've had to fight for life - quite the opposite. I'm pretty tubby at the moment.

It's very, very comparable. Not completely. But it has its basis in using your body to express internal distress - that's the similarity that people are picking up on.

Bespin

I'm not being funny or nuthin'. But please, for the love of God, sort out your phone.

anorexia is still anorexic when they recover they only. learn the ways to manage this and they become the pattern over time of behaviour.

No. Someone who WAS anorexic and has had intensive therapy and overcome the issues that led to the anorexia in the first place, does not need to be considered an anorexic any more.

SophoclesTheFox I am glad to hear that you didn't suffer considerably from this condition but there are those that do and the treatment paths they follow can be for life. I can appreciate yours was not and you didn't require treatment in the way a lot of people do. But these are genuinely not the same and that is not said to prove any point but to acknowledge that they are different and I am sure those that suffer from this sometimes deadly condition do not appreciate people eating it to transgender, let's try and keep them separate.

Nobody's trying to say they're the same thing. Noone is conflating them. We're comparing them as a means that young girls have of expressing their distress with their bodies and as an external manifestation of how profoundly bad it can feel coming to womanhood in this misogynistic world. Do you get that?

We look at today's disphoric, gender confused adolescent girls, and we give a sigh of recognition because we get what they're doing. And if we were their age today, many of us would be doing the same. But this time, unlike with when it was anorexia or self harm, as it was when I was coming of age in this world people are cheering them on to harm themselves irretrievably. Not stopping them. Not offering them alternatives. Not helping them in any other way.

Do you not get that?

Stop trying to control the narrative here. this is not about you.

titchy no they do not and hopefully the behaviour patterns that they put in place stick and they can recover fully though this is not always the case and people do require a number of admissions and unfortunately some of them don't make it. as with all things there are people that display behaviours that are the same as anorexia who do not get a full diagnosis of this as there are other factors that are perpetuating that behaviour that does not make them any less serious but it is not that condition and does not require that level of treatment. and I find it upsetting when you can easily equate it with trans with little thought for people that suffer from that condition who are desperately trying to fight it and trans poeple who are just wanting to be who they feel themselves to be.

SophoclesTheFox

did you miss all the above posts. that showed how they were the same and that people will. conflate them if they want to.

Did you miss all the posts where I explained what is actually happening?

Your posts are incoherent. I don't understand one bit of what you're driving at, and why you can look at a thread filled with mothers agonising over their children's health and think it's a fine place to scold people for not understanding eating disorders.

To people who've actually had eating disorders.

Classic.

I was so upset at my deletions so I cancelled my account. Then, I read how certain posters try to stop our voice. Apparently a well known poster does this. Granted some of my posts were raw and uncensored. I acknowledge this. Truth is important though.
Truthwillwin. I can’t get this name back as some other user has it. That is me!!

I am here to fight for my child and others like him. I’m not trying to ridicule transsexuals who have had the time to explore this. I want my child to have the opportunity of age to see the now damaging narrative that is permeating every establishment. Critical thinking requires experience. Teens don’t have the skills. Actually it is a learned skill. Can take years and even then we may not get it.
I also want assurances that co morbidities will be addressed when looking at differential diagnosis and possible reasons to come out as transgender. The 50 shades of transgender highlights how whimsical the trans narrative has become. In my opinion.

Bespin
trans poeple who are just wanting to be who they feel themselves to be.

What does this mean? I have frequently seen this phrase stated by people promoting the trans agenda, but what is stopping anyone 'being who they feel themselves to be'?

why you can look at a thread filled with mothers agonising over their children's health and think it's a fine place to scold people for not understanding eating disorders.

To people who've actually had eating disorders.

It's quite telling.

TWW - here's hoping the truth will win before our kids are permanently damaged.

tww1

I think we are getting closer to it but maybe not close enough for my child who will turn 18 within a year. I just need to focus on buying more time until the rest of society is peaked. My child has other issues that I believe led to his distorted thinking.

I am really against the system pushing these children into a certain direction when it comes to how they perceive their body.
I went to an all girls school. I didn’t fit in, I hated my body so so much. I wanted to be a boy. I ‘looked’ like one. Even when I look at pictures now it’s so strange looking at me as a teenager so look like a boy. Others agree. I taped my breasts down under my uniform so I looked less ‘female’ I lied about starting my period so no one would know as if no one would know I’m turning into a woman. I never spoke about it either. I didn’t have a bf.
If the school had pushed me to ID as male and that was acceptable I would have leapt at the chance. Hell I would have had all ‘female’ parts replaced as well.

Now I am forever grateful that didn’t happen. I had to grow into my body. I had to understand my body. For me that didn’t happen until I was well into my 20’s. I didn’t have any bf until 18, I learned to like the sex I was born as. I am so happy I stuck this ride out because life is easy now. I have dc and I’m married to a man and if I hadn’t chosen that route and still pursued becoming a man, that is ok too but only because I am mature enough and knowledgeable enough about the subject now to make a choice about what steps I may have wanted to take.
I follow all these threads as I fear for my young dc in the future where on Earth all this trans stuff is going.
I’m all for trans people being supported but this current system is open to abuse of dc and also trans people themselves as well.

Absolutely agree @SophoclesTheFox . I see this current trend and I see girls I knew with eating disorders, destructive behaviour etc. I understand now as an adult, where some of those behaviours were rooted, and I fear for this new generation of girls. Girls are being failed at every turn. Churned out into an over-sexualised culture, with boys reared on porn, told they have to be photo- ready at all times and that unless they are super-girly and heterosexual they must be boys.
I have daughters. This is not the world I want for them, where the adults in authority are weak and self-centred, far keener on being seen to do the right on thing , than actually doing the right thing.

ROGD is increasing in girls.
I read somewhere that anorexia is subsequently decreasing in girls. Not sure if there is a correlation but interesting if true.

The number of admissions with a primary or secondary diagnosis of an eating disorder reached a peak of 13,885 in the year to April 2017, up from 7,260 six years earlier in 2010-11,

Beat, said that calls to their helpline were likely to reach 17,000 in the financial year ending March 2018, up from 7,000 the year before.

for anyone who seriously wants help with that condition.

www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk