Trans women are women, is the biggest oxymoron ever written.

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If trans women are women, then why do the words trans women exist? I don't understand how law can not be written in a way that recognises women as women and trans women as trans women.

Thus trans women are treated with respect and dignity, and so are women. This blurring of the lines is helping no one.

Who ever claimed that trans women are women? Unless we can differentiate between the 2 there will always be conflict. Is it too late for reality to kick in here?

Because reality is being twisted into nonsense.

This has been explained so many times.

Pretending to not understand is very transparent.

OP, you are making the mistake of expecting logic from transactivists.
These are people who think women can have penises, and that convicted rapists should be put in women’s prisons on their own (self ID) claim to be female. People who don’t have any regard for women’s rights or safety. People who think male bodies should be allowed to compete in women’s sporting events, and that children who don’t fit social gender stereotypes should be labelled trans and put on puberty blockers that can leave them sterile.

Well, it hasn’t been explained, exactly, Glitched? Not in a way that makes any sense to anybody.
Would you like to give it another shot since we’re all so transparently thick?

The law IS currently written this way.

The vast majority of transwomen do not have a GRC - about 99% of them do not. They are NOT legally recognised as women, but have a protection in the Equality Act that recognises gender reassignment and gives some protection without actually recognising them as women.

Only about 3000 transsexual women in the 65 million UK population (that is 0.5% of the trans umbrella population and 0.005% of the UK population) have been legally recognised as women after a doctor has decided that they can alter their birth certificate.

Even here there are (rightly) protected exemptions for the likes of refuges and sports.

This is the situation as of today.

It will only change if self ID rules are allowed into the GRA as under discussion and doctors end having the say on who gets legal recognition and a person gets to choose themselves.

This has been explained so many times.

No it hasn't..when the question is asked you just get 'transwomen are women' repeated over and over, or accusations of being a bigot. It has never actually been explained.

Glitched Then why do the words 'Trans women' exist?
If not to correctly identify exactly that-ie a trans woman.

My point is that women need to be classed as women & trans woman as trans woman.

Otherwise the law is an ass and we have clear safeguarding issues regards women & children.

What is the logic of trying to shoe horn someone who is not a woman, into the sex class of women?

If transwomen were women, then they wouldn't be transwomen. It's a total contradiction that makes no sense.

Hanging Exactly-I'm trying to explain this to my teenage kids & they don't understand why we should pretend something, we know is not true. Where else in life do we do this?
I'm all for supporting GNC kids but don't understand why we are all expected to accept a blatant lie.

So yet another thread knocking trans women and denying that they are women.

Yet another (or more than one) poster demanding we all accept that transwomen are women, but still no definition of women.

Do you want to give it a go again Snappity/Glitched. A definition of woman that includes all women and transwomen but excludes all men.

Without being circular. Or using stereotypes.

Snappity I'm pointing out the bad logic in not sticking to facts, that trans women are trans women. (Otherwise why do those words exist?)
I'm not denying trans womens existence, I know they are part of the human race-but I can't see how lawmakers & policymakers move forward unless they can use the words trans women.
No one has ever clearly articulated why trans women should be legally classed as women-please do explain if you can.

So yet another thread knocking trans women and denying that they are women.

Am literally still waiting for an explanation of how transwomen are women. I have been waiting a looooooong time, so am more than ready to hear it.

Trans women are trans women. They exist. They deserve to be treated fairly and with respect. Women are women.

Some of the people from each group may present in the same way or like doing the same things, but it isn’t our interests and the clothes we wear that make us part of a particular group. It’s our biology. Or ALL women would dress the same, enjoy doing the same things etc.

So if our biology is the thing that makes us different, the thing that makes us who we are and dictates society’s expectations of how we should behave and how we are treated by society, how can women and trans women be the same. How can trans women be women?

Magpies are pies.

We’re waiting, Snappity?
I suspect we’ll be left waiting, as always...

It all depends on whether you think a person's identity is encapsulated by the collection of their memories. If you do, then men who change gender to female in their 30s+ can never be women in the same sense as a woman who was born that way.

It's starting to do my bloody head in, people just say random things that make no sense!!!!

Trans women are not women, categorically.

Women are women.

When people stop talking nonsense we can all get along.

Does anyone know roughly at what point in recent history the terminology changed? I just don't get why we can't call trans women, trans women-then it would be a lot easier for everyone else.

It's an oxymoron because one cannot be a male adult human female.

You can be male and but not male and female. There is no way to transition to female. Or out of it.

To play the fool and not understand the meaning or usage of trans is a lazy attempt at having a sound argument.

Woman = adult human female (including trans women)

Do you really think you’re being profound, Glitched?
Explain why trans women are actual women. We’re all listening 👂 👂

Nope, not making any sense to me, Glitched.

There is absolutely no playing the fool involved on my part.

Female cannot include male, because that doesn't work.

Wouldn't it be better all round just to accept that males are male, however feminine they wish to be?

You've just given us a synonym there @Glitched, can you define what it means to be a woman/female please?

No-one is playing the fool here apart from you, fobbing off a legitimate question with a non-answer.