Why we need representation from women (and why a Labour Women’s Officer is proving that transwomen don’t represent women)

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The following tweet got the poster blocked by a Labour Women’s Officer

“Male violence is toxic isn’t it. More than 1,600 women were killed by men in the US in 2015

And 113 women were killed by men in the UK in 2016.
Disgraceful isn’t it”

This is why women need to represented by women in politics and not transwomen

How is this being allowed to continue? Does Labour just not give a shit about women anymore?

Hi @MNHQ Would you mind explaining how my post, now deleted, broke the new guidelines?

It was a factual comment.

Have a look at this elected representative's response to the protest at London Pride.

This is Councillor Gregor Murray, the Children's Convenor in Dundee.

The councillor, who identifies as gender non-binary, described a group of women blocking the front of the march as “utter cs” and asked a fellow Twitter user, “where’s your fing solidarity you transphobic b?”.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/685759/childrens-convener-issues-grovelling-climbdown-over-expletive-laden-twitter-outbursts/amp/

By the way, this person identifies as a woman. Channeling the Alex Drummond fashion sense obviously.

I dread the day as someone with additional needs, people will wear badges and I will be forced without a chance of slip up, made to refer to people as the gender/age/race/ability/animal/mineral/vegetable they identified as as I am not in the some are more equal than others group, my ability will not be given reasonable adjustment.

LM has already complained recently that LM isn't making enough money from the BBC on their appearances.

That they make as a trans officer.

If papers stop referring to LM as trans, LM would make no money. No other women's officers are making any cash.

But anyway, we need female officers, not because no one else can do the job but because women should make up 50% of the population. LM isn't crap at the JOB because LM is trans, LM is crap at the job, because LM is crap.

What we seem to have is a situation wherein the following applies:

1. Some very vocal (and in some cases, influential) transwomen get very angry if offended by comments on social media, etc.
2. A few of them take specific action - this might be tweeting accusations of causing their "literal" deaths by misgendering them or not wanting them + penises in women's safe spaces, complaining directly to (for example) Mumsnet about a specific, perceived slight OR (as in the case of the SNP councillor reacting to the 'Get the L out' protests) going on to Twitter and slinging a torrent of venomous abuse.
3. The net result is that women trying to discuss and defend their own rights are buried under the avalanche of SJW-inspired commandments - or threats.

Being called foul names by trans politicians and their supporters is the least of our worries, isn't it? Because what they're doing - and doing very effectively if my own recent experiences on social media (including here on MN) are anything to go by - is policing our comments so acutely that they're funnelling us down to being able to say NOTHING.

It’s so frustrating how many people in positions of power who could actually do some good- like widen the broad width of what it means to be a man actually just use it as an opportunity to put women under their boot.

The link about Gregor Murray is deeply disturbing, I would love to know how he conducts himself so appallingly on social media and gets away with it. They definitely need removing from post.

The SNP need a word with themselves if they're tolerating Gregor Murray's behaviour. Time was when any politician doing that would be forced to resign.

(Sorry posted too soon!)

Also Gregor Murray is the perfect example of someone WE DEFINITELY DONT WANT IN our sex segregated spaces. And can you blame us?

Also Gregor Murray is the perfect example of someone WE DEFINITELY DONT WANT IN our sex segregated spaces. And can you blame us?

Yep.

Agreed Vicky, and I’m in no doubt that if Gregor Murray had been born with XX chromosomes they would already have been removed from post.

(Cross-post! )

Im really confused about Gregor Murray. I googled to learn more and got this www.heraldscotland.com/news/13162718.SNP_councillor_attacks_party_s_female_quota_policy_as__f___ing_stupid_/

As the URL suggests, it’s him complaining in very abusive terms about a female quota policy... in 2014. So he has long been a terrible misogynist, quite publicly. When was he given this post of “equalities” spokesperson that he claims on his twitter account? It appears to have been AFTER this outburst, since that role is not mentioned in the article. For whom or what is he the equalities spokesperson? For the SNP? At a local or national level?

As for him identifying as LGBT on his twitter profile - if he doesn’t actually sleep with men then is this not the most glaring form of appropriation?

If he is actually gay/bi I’ll retract that last criticism, but the point about him being a noted misogynist - and the party turning a blind eye - stands no matter what.

I wonder what makes him think he is non binary? He isn’t even making the barest minimum of efforts to present as anything other than a man. Can there POSSIBLY be any explanation for his NB identity that isn’t simply about him wishing to gain social capital by identifying into a group often perceived to be oppressed?

Gregor doesn't seem to know whether they are trans (tweeting on July 12 that "I've tweeted some examples of the abuse I receive, as an example, to show people what it's like being a trans person online." - trigger warning the tweet said "He's a man. The beard gives it away" . Poor Gregor) or whether they are non-binary (as noted in their Twitter profile, along with preferred pronouns of "them / they")

Is this a new thing? Switching between being trans and non-binary?

As nonsensical as it seems, Olenna, non binary people have been included in trans for a while now. Sigh.

I do actually think this is semi-logical in some cases, given the current definition of trans - which evidently means anyone who deviates from rigidly prescribed gender roles in even the tiniest of ways. There are non binary people who do deviate, and some are truly androgynous. But the vast majority of non binary people I’ve encountered in real life and online are not doing much more than this guy, just using they/them pronouns and occasionally claiming to be oppressed in some unspecified way.

It’s strange that other trans people, people who have actually taken some risks and sacrificed their higher male status - see Paris Lees - don’t see this as appropriation. I’m sure some do. But it is not widely discussed.

Sloth

It's very peculiar, especially as the SNP like to present themselves as having the most progressive policies. And they usually aren't shy about booting out rogue members either. Their parlimentary whipping is something to behold.

He was involved in the first school adopting the 'LGBT Charter' in Dundee, which sounds great. The programme was falsely claimed to be endorsed by Scottish Government. I do wonder about its content re the balance of LBG to the T. These programmes all seem to be about the T now. Certainly, he has shown contempt for the 'L's in particular, and women in general.

This is the official description of a LP WO:
^The Women’s Officer is the key representative of women members on the executive of the CLP, playing a key role in decision making and strategy within your CLP and ensuring that women are fully involved in the work of the local party. The Women’s Officer also takes a leading role in making sure that the campaigning work of the constituency reaches out and engages with women voters.
CLP Women’s Officers work to make sure their local party is a welcoming and engaging place for women. They head up events where women are brought together, both to empower everyone and knowledge share. A key part of their role is also to recruit more women members – and then to encourage and support them to become activists.^
'Welcoming and engaging'. So that's going well then.

The Women’s Officer also takes a leading role in making sure that the campaigning work of the constituency reaches out and engages with women voters.

That doesn't seem to include a bit about suggesting women in prison must be lying if they same they were sexually assaulted, does it?

Is everyone non-binary also trans?

I was interested to understand Jess Bradley's description that she was a non-binary transwomen. Jess Bradley is NUS TRans officer and was interviewed as part of the SKY news focus on the GRA consultation.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA

The Woman's officer who co-facilitated the workshop 'How to Deal with Terfs' at NUS Womans 18 was also a non-binary transwoman.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3222263-Slide-show-on-How-to-Deal-with-TERFs

Not 'same', say!

R0wantrees the nonbinary trans woman thing is quite common. Riley Dennis also claims to be a non binary trans woman, and in fact has a video promising to explain how one person can hold these two opposing identities. I am sure it will come as no surprise to you when I say I finished the video every bit as baffled as I was before I started it.

Riley Dennis makes my ears bleed and my head explode.

As far as i can tell, claiming to be a non binary trans woman is usually a way of appropriating the right to speak as a woman on issues concerning women, while explaining away your lack of interest in presenting as anything other than male. So having your cake and eating it, basically.

If there’s an explanation that isn’t this, I’d love to hear it.