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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why we need representation from women (and why a Labour Women’s Officer is proving that transwomen don’t represent women)

129 replies

UnderHerEye · 22/07/2018 18:18

The following tweet got the poster blocked by a Labour Women’s Officer

“Male violence is toxic isn’t it. More than 1,600 women were killed by men in the US in 2015

And 113 women were killed by men in the UK in 2016.
Disgraceful isn’t it”

This is why women need to represented by women in politics and not transwomen

How is this being allowed to continue? Does Labour just not give a shit about women anymore?

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SlothSlothSloth · 23/07/2018 17:24

I believe that if she looked more like a woman she would get much LESS fawning support. People do fawn on Paris and Laverne, of course, but with LM it’s really next level. And she does so much less than those two to warrant the fawning. They can put in a competent appearance on TV or radio, and string together a coherent tweet. LM cannot.

AngryAttackKittens · 23/07/2018 17:30

I think it's a manifestation of cultural anxiety (that I don't share, to be clear) about the idea that mediocre young white males may no longer have an easy and automatic path to success to the extent that they once did. The creation of an alternate route for some of the ones that wouldn't make it in current circumstances may feel soothing for some (including some women, unfortunately).

Paris is too working class to attract that sort of "well obviously this person deserves to be part of the ruling class" forelock tugging.

(Which isn't a criticism - the one thing I do like about Paris having a media profile is that Paris is working class and not from the same background as 99% of the media, because that leads to a very limited perspective.)

BettyDuMonde · 23/07/2018 17:44

Paris is a far more accomplished writer and speaker than any of the other high profile trans media darlings in the UK at present. And also the least privileged in terms of family wealth/education opportunities.

But Paris doesn’t invoke a sense of pity, so she’s probably less useful to the TRA narrative (and excluded by the same old boys networks that exclude all working class folk).

OlennasWimple · 23/07/2018 17:55

AAK / Betty - I agree re PL's family background. I also agree with PL on Brexit - another example of that apparently astonishing fact that it's possible to disagree profoundly with someone on certain issues whilst also wholeheartedly supporting their views on others

NanaNoodleman · 23/07/2018 18:01

People used to say when I were a lass “why are all the clever people left wing?” Hear that a lot less these days. Funny that.

Bumbungo · 23/07/2018 18:04

I'd rather be in a trapped lift with Paris over Jane Fae or IW any day. With LM would be inconceivable.

Is it because Paris is attracted to men and doesn't shit all over women with quite the same relish as those who are attracted to women? Women are an more of an irrelevance to Paris, she wants to be accepted as one but dosen't need them as such. The 'transbians' appear to want to control women in much the same way as misogynist men do.

I find Paris' sex writings reprehensible obviously.

BettyDuMonde · 23/07/2018 18:10

In Blanchard terms (which are wrong/outdated/irrelevant according to TRAs, of course) Paris is HSTS and Lily is AGP.

Abouttoblow · 23/07/2018 18:14

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Abouttoblow · 23/07/2018 18:16

Should have mentioned this was on Twitter.

AngryAttackKittens · 23/07/2018 18:16

And women very much preferring the company of group A to group B* is nothing new, and the reason for much of the public support for transwomen (women assuming that "transwoman" means group A rather than Eddie Izzard/beardy McWhatsisface who works with Stonewall).

*Even though some of them can be right little shits sometimes - see anything Paris has written about sex.

miri1985 · 23/07/2018 18:25

LM has such double standards, the amount of sexual assaults in prisons rising exponentially because of one person may very well have made the paper if it arose from the person being placed incorrectly regardless of gender identity.

Why not call out every article about trans men having babies, thats nothing special if you disregard their gender identity.

You can't single yourself out as being the first trans labour womens officer and then be shocked when other people single you out for your bad behaviour, if it had been a glowing article, I doubt LM would be complaining

bd67th · 23/07/2018 21:16

Which tweet is the one that accuses the female prisoners of fabrication? I am blocked and going through the timeline in a private browser gets these stupid "login or sign up" modal dialogs in my way all the time.

  1. Madigan's mental health condition doesn't render LM immune to criticism. No one else with a mental health condition is immune to criticism.
  2. Madigan is a pawn for someone else's (Bromentum?) game and history will not be kind to the people using a troubled teen for their own agenda.
AtreidesFreeWoman · 23/07/2018 23:29

Being blunt LM is in a heterosexual relationship.

This is a fact. A fairly recent tweet before claiming to be a lesbian was how great it was to have a female bisexual partner who didn't care what "bits" you had.

HmmHmmHmm

NoSquirrels · 24/07/2018 00:26

That article is Shock

I have started to C+P so many parts of it, and then thought Fuck - why bother? It's so ludicrously ludicrous.

There's the ageism and sexism, not to mention the shocking classism (you might just not be "educated enough"). Then there's the patronising assertion it ends on that trans women (and many others, natch) "see" the "cis" lesbians and want them to know that "their" community is richer with them in it.

Fucking Hell.

LM is a one-person peak trans machine, surely?

Bowlofbabelfish · 24/07/2018 07:31

I expect a women’s officer to advocate for women. I expect them to be aware of a broad range of issues that affect women and how those issues are linked. I expect them to be active to publicise such issues, to work with groups dealing with them and to have a grasp of how such groups work with local/national politics. I expect them to have a basic grasp of the law, and how that affects/could be affected by the hot issues of the day. I expect them to engage with the women of their constituency and beyond, listening to all voices and working with said women as needed.

I expect them to be capable of the behaviour expected from those in public life - ie considered speech/use of public media, self control, self awareness. I expect the them to adhere to Nolan principles. I expect them to separate personal and public personae unless there is a compelling reason to do so.

I expect a young or inexperienced women’s officer to be in regular communication with more experienced mentors in the party to gain feedback on their performance.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 24/07/2018 07:48

19 year old boy, not remotely qualified to represent women in the role they are in.

20 and a half now...

R0wantrees · 24/07/2018 07:54

This speech was made by Anne Ruzylo last year, she discusses vulnerable female prisoners, from her experience of having worked in prisons.
It is worthwhile specifically comparing her perspective with Lily Madigan's recent response to a male born prisoner being charged with sexually assaulting four female prisoners as discussed
here

Anne Ruzylo also describes being personally targetted by activists in the talk:

November 2017 Times Article:
'Lily Madigan: I’m a transgender teen agitator; I make an ideal Labour women’s officer. Born male, Lily Madigan is at the heart of the battle raging over the question of gender identity. She talks about the row she sparked in her own party'

(extract)
You may see Lily Madigan as a crusader or you may see her as a troublemaker, but sitting in a branch of Costa in Rochester, Kent, her jeans ripped and hair dyed a dirty pink, she looks like a teenager trying to pretend everything is OK.

Last week it emerged that the transgender art student, who is only 19, had been elected “women’s officer” for her local Labour Party in Rochester and Strood, months after she lodged a complaint against a “transphobic” feminist, Anne Ruzylo, who held the same post in another constituency.

Ruzylo later stood down, prompting the party’s executive committee to quit in solidarity. The sequence of events makes it look a lot as though Madigan, who was born male, forced a woman out of a post representing women, only to snap up a matching job herself.

Madigan is doing her best to appear absolutely fine with the fallout. “I’m always happy,” she says, though her wobbling chin suggests otherwise. Her friends, who are trying to protect her from the worst of the abuse, have banned her from looking at her social media accounts. And she admits she has had to involve the police. “I know there’s a lot of people inciting violence against me on social media. My friends have reported it,” she says.

It is a murky little story from the murkiest circles of local Labour Party politics and no one emerges looking good. Madigan says she made a complaint against Ruzylo in September because she had “heard she had made some transphobic comments” and wanted the local executive committee to look into them. (continues)

concludes:
It’s in the Labour Party that Madigan has found a home. I ask when she started to care about politics and she answers: “Jeremy Corbyn.” She joined the party after the election, has met most of her friends through it and shows me a video of Corbyn answering a question from her at Labour’s youth policy conference. Raising Corbyn’s terrible track record with women’s rights is pointless because Madigan is evangelical. She wants to be the first transgender MP.

How, at 19, can she have enough experience to represent the interests of women in the constituency? “I’m good at trans rights and student rights,” she says. “I did a lot of work around stopping the council here shutting Sure Start centres; I’ve been speaking to victims of rape recently.”

As women’s officer she will need to represent the views of all the women in the party, including those who, like Ruzylo, fear the consequences of the GRA. “I definitely think everyone’s opinion is valid,” she says, “but some opinions are a bit ignorant and we can educate them.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lily-madigan-im-a-transgender-teen-agitator-imake-an-ideal-labour-womens-officer

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2018 08:00

If I taught Politics at Goldsmith's I'd be dreading next year. Imagine marking coursework and knowing that one of the (anonymised) submissions was from LM, who is not backwards at coming forwards to challenge any perceived slight.

R0wantrees · 24/07/2018 08:21

Janice Turner

"Elected Labour Party women’s officer denigrates vulnerable women prisoners who report sexual abuse because it was committed by a male-bodied, male-genital trans person like herself. This prisoner has now been charged. Lily Madigan should be sanctioned by the LP.

The sheer idiocy of locking natal male, genitally-intact criminals in confined spaces with women prisoners, the majority of whom have suffered sexual abuse..."

link to Tweet:
twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1021065166459473921

Why we need representation from women (and why a Labour Women’s Officer is proving that transwomen don’t represent women)
LaSquirrel · 24/07/2018 11:09

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LaSquirrel · 24/07/2018 11:13

Also, a trans person cannot claim to be 'outed' when their entire basis for recognition is on being a trans person.

Major reality fail. Major.

FloralBunting · 24/07/2018 11:34

From the way LM has used the phrase 'outing', I think to them it means 'pointing out that I am trans when I would prefer everybody said I was a woman'.

LM would like to control their own narrative, basically, and is going to find their life incredibly frustrating because reality doesn't operate like Twitter.

LaSquirrel · 24/07/2018 11:52

So, 'reality fail' = 'outing'?

Oh the kids these days...

UglyCathKidstonBag · 24/07/2018 11:53

LM has peaked 4 people in my place of work this morning alone. Keep up the good work Lily.

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