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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why we need representation from women (and why a Labour Women’s Officer is proving that transwomen don’t represent women)

129 replies

UnderHerEye · 22/07/2018 18:18

The following tweet got the poster blocked by a Labour Women’s Officer

“Male violence is toxic isn’t it. More than 1,600 women were killed by men in the US in 2015

And 113 women were killed by men in the UK in 2016.
Disgraceful isn’t it”

This is why women need to represented by women in politics and not transwomen

How is this being allowed to continue? Does Labour just not give a shit about women anymore?

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UnderHerEye · 22/07/2018 18:19

Link

twitter.com/Offreya1/status/1020676423730724864?s=20

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TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 22/07/2018 18:25

Trans women are women.

Until anything comes up that is about women, then it gets transed or deleted or blocked.

Thus proving that trans people do not think trans women are women.

And yet, people still can't see it.

FashionTheLook · 22/07/2018 18:32

Labour is lost to me under this leadership.

FermatsTheorem · 22/07/2018 18:32

Pretty much everything Margaret Hodge said this week about Labour and anti-Semitism applies mutatis mutandum to Labour and misogyny. There's now a whole host of reasons not to vote for them. The question is who does one vote for instead?

FashionTheLook · 22/07/2018 18:36

Spoilt paper or let's see what the new centrist party comes up with?

Materialist · 22/07/2018 18:40

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Bowlofbabelfish · 22/07/2018 18:44

Agree with materialist

Tell your MP you want to know where they stand on this issue, that’s you will be asking the same of their rivals for the seat and you’re a one issue voter who is willing to campaign.

One lost vote is not the same as one to the opposition plus a committed campaigner.

Floorplan · 22/07/2018 19:23

We truly need to field our own gc candidates that reject selfid either as independents or under the flag of WPUK (here's hoping).

Floorplan · 22/07/2018 19:24

After all the monster raving loonies did it for years.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/07/2018 19:37

I'm blocked by LM so can't see what she was responding to. Will look in a private window.

As to who to vote for, god knows. I live in a very safe Labour seat, so my vote counts for very little anyway. My MP doesn't belong to Momentum, though, and sent me a good response to a letter about GC issues. I was very heartened that in a recent bye-election in a neighbouring seat a local female candidate (genuinely female, and black to boot) saw off the Momentum-approved people on the shortlist and went on to win the seat for Labour.

However, I can't vote Labour with the party in its current shambolic state. It's not just their stance on gender/sex that worries me. They are clueless on Brexit and the antisemitism is appalling. But even if they sorted all of that out, I can't vote for a reincarnation of Militant Tendency.

So who else to vote for? The LibDems are absolutely hopeless on the issue of gender/sex. The Greens, ditto - is anyone happy to be identified as a non-man? The WEP is a waste of time. I can't vote Tory because I hate what they have done to the poor in the name of austerity while failing to make the rich contribute to society as they should.

So I'm a bit stymied. Sad Angry

VickyEadie · 22/07/2018 19:40

I can't vote Labour with the party in its current shambolic state. It's not just their stance on gender/sex that worries me. They are clueless on Brexit and the antisemitism is appalling. But even if they sorted all of that out, I can't vote for a reincarnation of Militant Tendency.

So who else to vote for? The LibDems are absolutely hopeless on the issue of gender/sex. The Greens, ditto - is anyone happy to be identified as a non-man? The WEP is a waste of time. I can't vote Tory because I hate what they have done to the poor in the name of austerity while failing to make the rich contribute to society as they should.

Me too. I left the Labour party over Brexit and THEN discovered this appalling train wreck of a policy on self-id, etc.

newtlover · 22/07/2018 19:43

THe LP came round the other night, a man I guess late 30s, told him I was not happy with our female MP (TWAW) explained to him I was against self ID and the need for safe women's spaces, he nodded along and seemed to get it, who knows what that will translate to as she already knows my views
I'm afraid I can't countenance campaigning for the Tories.

UpstartCrow · 22/07/2018 20:03

(Given that all the MRA's I interact with now claim to be Centrists I have no hope that a new Centrist party will be non partisan or genuine for very long)

NoDykeDoesDick · 22/07/2018 20:06

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UnderHerEye · 22/07/2018 20:41

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

The tweet was a response to LMs tweet about 28 transgender people being murdered last year.

It just demonstrates to me that LM doesn’t represent woman at all.

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UglyCathKidstonBag · 22/07/2018 20:53

I complained to the Labour Party about those tweets, as did at least 3 people I know. I am no longer a member but they all are.
I wonder if members could write a public letter to a newspaper about rape apologists in the Labour Party. It would need to number 250+ at least.

UnderHerEye · 23/07/2018 12:09

And the tweets saying that the female prisoners were making up their rapes are still up.

How is the account running unchecked?

Our politicans are quick to jump in and call gender critical women hateful bigots, but when something like this happens it’s ignored and left to stand. Feels like #MeToo is only relevant if the victims are the ‘right sort’ of victims.

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HubrisComicGhoul · 23/07/2018 12:27

I am honestly concerned that LM has serious mental health issues and that these are being ignored by the Labour party. I realise that they are an adult, but they are still very young and deserve protection and help, where are the CLP in this? They have a duty of care to their members and elected officials.

If the Labour party allow this young person to crash and burn, they will never in my lifetime regain my vote.

If you want the measure of a group, look to how they treat their most vulnerable members.

Bumbungo · 23/07/2018 12:34

In other news, Lilly Madigan is, no no, you just won't believe it.... TRANS!

The fucking SUN 'outed' LM! The bastards.

twitter.com/gcgaymale/status/1020958111962738689

drwitch · 23/07/2018 12:40

yes hubris - think it is similar to what happened with Jared O Mara people get selected way above their competence level in the labour party

so even if a TW could represent all women in this way LM is not that TW

AngryAttackKittens · 23/07/2018 12:51

At this point I'm wondering if there's anything LM could say that would result in blowback from Labour. It seems that IDing as trans is like coating yourself in teflon in Labour circles.

LangCleg · 23/07/2018 15:38

people get selected way above their competence level in the labour party

Never a truer word spoken.

SlothSlothSloth · 23/07/2018 15:39

I think the fact that LM of all people is allowed to be a woman’s officer shows we really have reached the point where reasoning is useless. Truly not one person has ever, EVER looked at her and thought it was a woman they were looking at. No-one has ever responded to her as they would a woman. She does not have female biology. She has the personality of a fairly ordinary teenage boy. In no sense can she be said to have any experience that would qualify her for this position, and everyone knows, every single person.

I should add that I do not necessarily object to trans women in such roles, but I just don’t believe LM really is a trans woman, in either the sense of having dysphoria or even in the sense of being markedly uncomfortable with masculine gender roles. She’s patently a Danielle Muscato-style troll. It’s obvious. I cannot get my head around the fact that people deny this.