Up to 150 youngsters treated with puberty-blocking jabs 'might not even be transgender'

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www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5978515/Up-150-youngsters-treated-puberty-blocking-jabs-not-transgender.html

Tory MP David Davies said it could be a scandal and 'the NHS needs to fully investigate'

Lets hope so! Its scandalous
Im an autistic woman myself and my eldest son is also.

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This needs to be on the main boards. Most people don't have a clue about this.

Honestly, I'm surprised it isn't more than 150

I'm with you on this 100% Nellie. When my dd started this narrative I googled everything I could find about ASD and GD. Loads of evidence that the two massively co-present but nothing at all assuring anyone that extra caution will be shown by the experts where they suspect children are on the AS. Autistic girls in particular need plenty of support to basically understand sexist pressure and how to deal with it because they don't instinctively conform in the way that many nt children do. They need to be taught how to not let it affect their self esteem. They basically need GC feminism alongside all the other support e.g. with understanding and adapting to the changes in their bodies etc. Instead the "professionals" facilitate the continuation of a harmful narrative. I understand Tavistock are under a lot of pressure but given the number of young autistic women who are on puberty blockers I don't at all subscribe to the idea they are "measured" in their approach. They had a responsibility to withstand the pressure.

Also, it comes across like the Tavistock clinic are crying out for help here? In many ways, there hands and tied, but it sounds like they are desperate to be freed?

Placemarking. Too upset to post ATM.

I'm delighted that more and more people are speaking up about the whole dangerous gender-bollocks dealogy. We are winning!

David Davies was the MP who hosted the WPUK meeting at the House Of Commons when Millwall FC caved to the TRAs. He took a lot of flak for it from the usual,suspects too.

R0wantrees I hope you will complain, as I will, to NHS Choces about the content of the transitioning info. The NHS, like just about every other public body, has been thoroughly infiltrated by this nonsense.

Honestly, I'm surprised it isn't more than 150 sad

As I read it the 150 is an extrapolation of the Tavistiock figures. It doesn't include children placed on puberty blockers by others such as gen
dergp.co.uk/help_centre_home/help-centre-transgender-youth/

(Link broken, just take out spaces)

And let's remember that the trans organisations currently pushing the idea that children must be medicated and that 'watching and waiting' is transphobic are the same groups arguing that those self identifying as women but in possession of a full set of male genitalia must have access to spaces where women undress, wash and may be vulnerable.

Such a contradiction - one rule for children and another for adults.

Its horrific that they're giving medication to under 18's. I was a tomboy as a child and the majority of my friends were boys, I'm still not particularly girly but that doesn't make me a man..

Surely we need to stop with the backward steps of reinforcing gender stereotypes and just drill into children that its OK to be attracted to the same sex, OK to like the opposite stereotypes and OK to be confused about identity in general while going through teenage years and all then changes it brings.

How can you call something a fully functioning penis, when, to make it erect, it needs to be filled with saline solution using a pump installed in one of the fake testicles?

I'd have a hard time not laughing if someone was all "just a second, babe" and then proceeded to hand crank their "penis" into position by squeezing one ball.

And as usual that's me lowering the tone of the thread...

I'm delighted that more and more people are speaking up about the whole dangerous gender-bollocks dealogy. We are winning!

Yep, this. Cat's out of the bag and will not be going back in again.

I seriously hope that this is getting some attention.

If I were 30 years younger, I’d be transitioning. And knowing what I know now I’d have been so wrong.

I suspect that this is why the Mermaids head doesn't want us using the word "castration", because it really brings home how irreversible some trans "treatments" are.

I know someone who took Lupron (as an adult, not because of genderfeels but because of issues related to her female body) and the side effects are awful and don't magically vanish as soon as you stop taking it.

Also, it comes across like the Tavistock clinic are crying out for help here? In many ways, there hands and tied, but it sounds like they are desperate to be freed?

When Dr Polly Carmichael (Tavistock/GIDS) gave her speech at the Westminster Social Policy Forum June 4th, she & the Tavistock approach received a great deal of hostility from some prominant TRAs.

Criticism was public on twitter during the conference. (#WSPFEvents.)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents

Some relevent previous discussion (there are many other threads which may be worth highlighting):
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249035-Stephen-Whittle-s-blog-on-Genderquake-with-a-detailed-briefing-for-panelists

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228409-DM-Article-NHS-sex-change-drugs-are-putting-hundreds-of-children-at-risk-each-year-warns-top-doctor

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3243516-Dr-Helen-Webberley-GenderGP-Interview-in-The-Independent-re-GenderQuake-Debate

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3285329-Those-suicide-statistics

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3229756-Transgender-child-on-R4-World-at-One

I suspect I'd disagree with Carmichael on many things, but she does seem to be trying to filter out children who're suffering from social contagion, who have a totally different issue that's leading them to think they have issues with gender, etc. TRAs do not like the fact that she's doing that and see her job as being to facilitate whatever they demand.

It's funny isn't it, I'm trying to think if there are any other conditions where medical professionals are expected to affirm what the patient says rather than using their medical knowledge to explore all possibilities before making a diagnosis.

Pregnancy is the only one I can think of off the top of my head, and even then that is checked after a few weeks.

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R0wan thank you for your linking and referencing on these threads.

This is very upsetting yet not very surprising. I have a child with ASD and know a few others via support groups.

It can take so long for a child to get a diagnosis many are in their teens and older before they do so it's not surprising that many will look to gender issues to explain away other difficulties.

Much of the money and power currently floating around the TG groups would be better spent on support for children with ASD and ways to reduce the waiting lists for assessment.

My child has been treated by CAHMS since age 5 yet it took another 6 years to persuade them to assess him then almost 3 years after that on the waiting list for assessment. He has a full diagnosis now but it's a case of too little too late as far as his education and general well being goes (which is a story for a totally different thread).

Well done david Davies. rare voice of reason on this matter.

It is absolutely going to be a scandal and I amd several others have been banging on about this for a while. The way these children’s mental, physical and future sexual health is being sacrificed to benefit an ideology is heartbreaking, scandalous and deeply, deeply disturbing

I hope he can apply pressure in the correct places and get this investigated fully.

David if youre reading, you need to ask the hard questions:

1. Why are adults (predominantly male) calling for demedicalisation while simultaneously pushing for increased medicalisation of children?
2. Why are certain lobby groups pushing for earlier medicalisation of children?
3. Why are organisations promoting early access to blockers not being pursued by the law?
4. Why are pressure groups allowed to train public institutions like the NHS, the BBC, and the police with medically inaccurate information.?
5. Please get one of your team to go though these training materials, alongside what these groups are pushing for as changes to the GRA and the equality act, and child safeguarding rules. Note the points where what is being requested clashes with safeguarding. Think on why pressure groups are attempting to erode the boundaries that keep children safe (and women too, but let’s concentrate on children here.)
6. Why are groups like the BBC promoting puberty blockers as safe and reversible despite multiple complaints that the information they have presented is medically inaccurate and potentially harmful?
7. What are the implications of the upcoming consultation of banning conversion therapy? Obviously banning this for homosexuality is a positive thing, but if gender is added you set up a conflict - many of these kids will just end up gay. They should NOT be being told they’re abnormal physically, mentally or that they are the opposite sex.

Good luck.

Link to BBC information that says that puberty blockers are safe, reversible etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/XZjhcLhQW08Ylw5b0p9xgH/gender-dysphoria-transgender

I and several others have complained to the BBC about this. Brushed off. This is medically inaccurate and dangerous.

Should also add to my point 7 above that if gender is added to the conversion therapy bill will it become illegal to NOT give affirmative treatment?

What has the National Autism Society to say about this?

www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/gender.aspx

A) confuses gender with sex - the ratios in the population relate to biological sex, not gender

B) appears only to get info from and signpost to information from Mermaids, GIRES etc.

The effects of puberty blockers may be physically reversible, but psychologically apparently not.

What I hadn't realised as I am not following things too closely was that it has been said birth certificates are a violence to trans people or something along those lines. Please read the in convention for the rights of the child article 7. To actually get rid of certificates that means the UK breaking that convention. Has anyone looked at this? I was reading it for entirely different reasons.