'Get the L Out' Statement by the lesbian protesters at Pride London

[R0wantrees]

getthelout.wordpress.com/blog/

Why “Get The L Out” ?
July 5, 2018
Angela C. Wild
Who We Are

Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and feminist individuals and organisations, opposing the increasingly anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians

Why We Protest

We believe that lesbian rights are under attack by the trans movement and we encourage lesbians everywhere to leave the LGBT and form their own independent movement, as well as to be vocal and take action against the proposed changes to the GRA.

Get the L Out believes trans politics (with uncritical support from the LGBT movement) does the following:

Promotes the social transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism – this is nothing more than a form of conversion therapy.
Promotes the medical transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone blockers, Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy bodies – these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians.
Promotes the rights of heterosexual males who “identify” as women and lesbians (despite most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new ‘queer’ LGBT politics thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian sex. This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory heterosexuality." (continues)

AnonFem what a great statement from OJ! It deserves to be regularly quoted back at him.

Bertrand, if you accept that their message was not solely pro-lesbian, but also anti-trans, then, given Pride represents LGBT+ (including T), it makes sense that some at the march (not just T) would be upset about it.

And even if you do NOT accept that their message was anti-trans, you must realise that some people might take it as such, given the wording of the leaflets. Hence upset… about the actual/perceived attack on trans folk at Pride NOT the fact lesbians were protesting at Pride.

Yes, some people took it as anti trans. The sort of people who do not believe in protest. Ideologues.

Here's some evidence of the lesbophobia in the trans community and among trans allies freezing.

twitter.com/Gnarly_Charl/status/1015904535003291649?s=20

You really think lesbians should not protest this?

YetAnotherSpartacus that is a really helpful post. I do remember when I was doing my PhD and the theory I was reading was Joan Scott and post structuralism, and being really concerned about how this related to women’s embodied experiences and material reality.

I do think gender theory has a place, in terms of allowing one to unpick how power is represented in language and the ideas which are conveyed in text and visual imagery and these map on to sex-based hierarchies. But somehow the notion that discourses do not exist in a vacuum, that they are constitutive of something actually real and by actual individuals or groups with an agenda and purpose has got lost. Discursive constructions of gender seem to now override biological reality, but the power inequalities and hierarchies gender was originally meant to lay bare remain in place, and are actually being enforced.

"Cotton Ceiling" evidence thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

Some more evidence for doubters.

Can people please stop using the word 'folk' it makes my teeth itch. I would be happy for it to be banned by MNHQ

Hi again R0wantrees,

Thanks for the link. I hadn't realised it was actually a banned term so this will be the last post in which I use it. I thought you were going to tell me cis stood for something offensive or related to reproduction, but I just looked up the etymology.

Cis is just Latin for "on the side of" (as opposed to "trans" meaning "across from") and in this context is short for cisgender. So a cisgender woman or man has the same gender identity as the sex they were born with.

I still don't see why that is an issue. I won't go round calling myself a cis woman, in the same way I don't go round calling myself a straight woman. Generally, it's not relevant. But if gender identity is the topic, I have no issues with the term and -honestly- I still don't really understand why people do (I did read a lot of the replies in that thread). But… people are different.

Anyway thanks for sharing your views. I feel more informed.

freezingsheep
You said you had looked at the Break it down for me thread.
The current issue is the perception by many that it was an 'anti trans' protest.

How is a butch lesbian 'on the same side' as her gender/sex stereotype? How is she 'cis'?

I can't understand how you can't understand why women have a problem with it. No one is forcing you to agree. Just to wrap your brain around it.

Can people please stop using the word 'folk' it makes my teeth itch. I would be happy for it to be banned by MNHQ

THIS

"Bertrand, if you accept that their message was not solely pro-lesbian, but also anti-trans"
You see, I don't accept that-even for a second.

It seems that people have decided being pro lesbian is anti trans by definition.
Thats goes against The Equality Act.

The women supporting other women and lesbians are the ones upholding equality law and women's rights.

Taylor Fogarty "A Chat About Dating 'Preferences'"

June 2017 (guest vlog on Magdalen Berns youtube site)

So a cisgender woman or man has the same gender identity as the sex they were born with

Sex is not defined by reproductive role, in transgenderism. Therefore there is nothing 'male' or 'female' about the body for the gender identity to match with.

Reproductive role is in fact an irrelevance in transgenderism: a woman might be of the sex that gestates, in the same way that a table might be made of wood. Or might not. Or might be of the sex that gestates, and not be a woman. It's neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for womanhood.

So in transgenderism, there's nothing 'female' about a body of the sex which gestates, and nothing 'male' about a body of the sex that produces motile sperm. So there's no sex for the 'gender identity' to match with.

So a cisgender woman or man has the same gender identity as the sex they were born with.

^ that’s the problem. You can’t have it both ways, objection to being called terms that are descriptive re sex is objected to on the grounds that it ‘misgenders’. You can’t just decided someone else’s gender identity for them. That’s what ‘cis’ is doing telling people that if they don’t identify as trans then they must a. Have a gender identity and b. This gender identity must match their biological sex.

This is despite no-one ever proving the premise that everyone even has a gender identity in the first place.

Secondarily people who don’t subscribe to gender ideology are offended by being defined in relation to those who do as Christians would be by being described as ‘cis christian’ if another religion started claiming their religion was actually ‘trans christian’.

The concept of 'cis' isn't just offensive, it's incoherent, is what I'm trying to say.

@Ereshkigal

twitter.com/Gnarly_Charl/status/1015904535003291649?s=20

"You really think lesbians should not protest this?"

Thanks for this, so helpful.

If you feel you have a gender identity and that it matches your sex then go ahead and identify yourself to others as cis if you want... Just don’t feel you have the right to impose cis on others...

If you are using cis because you have been told it is inclusive language and not because you feel your gender (feminine so feminine clothes, role etc) matches your sex then you may want to reconsider applying cis to yourself.

That is fabulous @R0wantrees just so good, the presenter is excellent.

When is this madness going to crash and we can all get back to normal life?

I'm not a lesbian but I feel more common feeling with the lesbian 'community' than ever before. If I were not so bloody straight I would be a lesbian in waiting.

Lesbians, we love you, you are awesome.

Magdalen Berns December 2016
RE: "your dating preferences are discriminatory"

Bertrand my second paragraph addresses that very case.

R0wantrees it may well be perception. I used that very term as one option. Some of the comments on here have been transphobic, but not many, and I appreciate that such attitudes do not necessarily reflect the intention of the protesters. Similarly, I can now appreciate more of the trans-related issues faced by women and lesbians in particular.

All, thanks for bothering to read my ramblings and for your comments and feedback.

"Bertrand my second paragraph addresses that very case"
So the fact that some people may have been "offended" means that the language of the Pride statement-talk of "stamping out" for example, and regretting that the police could not do anything about the protest is justifiable?