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Lesbians react to London Pride

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garam · 08/07/2018 19:28

Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

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53rdWay · 09/07/2018 19:29

I don't think there really is a 'straight male community' in any coherent sense of the word, either.

GardenGeek · 09/07/2018 19:29

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Ereshkigal · 09/07/2018 19:30

Innate gender ideology promotes rape culture.

This. This problem needs addressing. Never a word of fucking condemnation for any of it.

Floisme · 09/07/2018 19:31

Of course we should listen to women who have been raped. I never, ever said anything to the contrary.

This has probably already been picked up by now but just in case, here you are are, about halfway down page 28.

I'd like to see evidence that lesbians are being coerced into having sex with people they don't wish to have sex with

MIdgebabe · 09/07/2018 19:32

lbgtq yes, you may be right , there may be a need to be careful discussing trans vs men to avoid triggering hate.

But accusing someone who claims to have received rape threats of transphobia to shut them down does make me very cross.

Methinks it is never a good time or place to raise the issue. It's either too public...instilling transphobia...or ignored

LangCleg · 09/07/2018 19:32

Rape is the wrong word to use

OMG. Daim has now moved perilously close to it's only rape if he leaps out at you in a darkened alley. We're now onto full-blown MRA rhetoric.

HQ! Come collect your errant friend!

Ereshkigal · 09/07/2018 19:33

I should say it promotes a specific kind of rape culture. That homosexuality is bigoted and uninclusive. There is also as I've said a trend towards believing bisexuality or "pansexuality" as "inclusive" and therefore a morally superior position. Which is a form of homophobia.

LurkingBee · 09/07/2018 19:34

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loveyouradvice · 09/07/2018 19:34

Cath I don;t think you are still here but Flowers if you are and I AM SO SORRY you had to cope with how your post was treated on this board....

And I am going to quote what you said again - to me it says it all that "the other side" do not react with compassion and concern - to me the most worrying think about the Trans movement is that there is no empathy, no let me understand why you think/feel that, lets find the common ground, lets find a solution that works without you losing out..... This is what I want our MPs, journos and the wider public to realise - is the pure self-centred selfishness of this movement and how destructive it is BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.... And I do not understand why people are so blind

I’m actually really upset by this. How the dare you dismiss or ignore what I said above? How can you read that someone has been told they need to have sex with penis or they are a Nazi and not say “hey fellow LGBT+ sister, let’s examine why this is happening, let’s fight and get this small group of extremists out of LGBT”? How? I am sick to death of AWSLRs (Activists Who Sanction Lesbian Rape) fighting for everyone but the people who are screaming for help! How can you sleep at night? You are complicit.

Baumederose · 09/07/2018 19:35

Interesting thread.

Alot of this debate is moot anyway. Over 80% of the public don't support trans self id. Or trans issues in general.

The tabloid press don't support trans issues.

Employers aren't supportive of employing trans people. Only 8% say they'd employ a trans person (before you ask this is also a pink news stat from the same article about the 80%) That's not great odds.

These are big issues for the trans community. And the ones they should be focussing on. Not whether someone will fuck them or not. Or someone waved a sign around they didn't like. Welcome to a democracy.

If you want social attitudes to change in your favour and you want acceptance, threatening women with gummy cocks is not helpful to your cause.

Alot of those comments have striking similarities with those made by incels. What is the reaction to incels? Why is this different to the same comment from a trans person?

If it's a minority why isn't the rest of the trans community sharing the outrage? It's fucking it up for all trans people. I don't get it.

loveyouradvice · 09/07/2018 19:35

And Datun it is so VERY good to have you back in full fettle... there were several weeks when your voice was absent and much missed... your resolute commitment to calm and rational discourse is one of the things that gives me hope.....

Ereshkigal · 09/07/2018 19:35

Methinks it is never a good time or place to raise the issue. It's either too public...instilling transphobia...or ignored

This is it. These people want women to keep quiet about it.

daimbars · 09/07/2018 19:36

Oh another troll hunt, if you don't believe me I'll post the lesbian board members of Pride instead:

We reject what this group stands for. They do not share our values, which are about inclusion and respect and support for the most marginalised parts of our community.

We are proud of our trans volunteers, proud of the trans groups that are in our parade, proud of our trans speakers at events and proud of the trans people who take part in our campaigns and proud of those who cheered even louder for them yesterday."

UglyCathKidstonBag · 09/07/2018 19:37

@daimbars

saying no thanks prevents sex. Only rapists rape.

Oh aye right, pet.

Ereshkigal · 09/07/2018 19:38

Oh another troll hunt, if you don't believe me I'll post the lesbian board members of Pride instead:

Wonder if that will be enough to save them from the TRAs baying for their resignations?

UglyCathKidstonBag · 09/07/2018 19:41

Thanks for everyone who has showed kindness to me. I was very low about this earlier but I’m fucked if someone like Daim will knock me down. People who make statements like they did are dangerous and need to be fought.

daimbars · 09/07/2018 19:42

Can't post anymore btw got RL stuff to deal with but happy to apologise for the third time if I upset UglyCath - no malice meant. Just sticking up for my trans siblings who are definitely not rapey and who do not condone rape culture.

TerfsUp · 09/07/2018 19:43

I suspect that anyone can post on the lesbian board of the Pride web site.

Mogleflop · 09/07/2018 19:44

Bless. Why don't you post Stephen Fry's tweet about it again too Daim?

Oh wait.

thebewilderness · 09/07/2018 19:47

There is a long history of men in power promoting the "rape cure" of Lesbians.
I have no idea if some of the people here are genuinely ignorant of this history, and how recently it was practiced, along with lobotomy, but if they are this is their wake up call.

GardenGeek · 09/07/2018 19:48

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UglyCathKidstonBag · 09/07/2018 19:48

Just sticking up for my trans siblings who are definitely not rapey and who do not condone rape culture.

Nope, you weren’t. You were heaping misogynistic blame upon women. You were adding oxygen to the flames of rape culture.
Your statement was vulgar and violent. It is triggering to rape victims. You can not brush this off, you have gone to another level here.

thebewilderness · 09/07/2018 19:49

Ouch! Women like Cath are just collateral damage in your effort to stick up for your trans siblings?
oi oi daim!

UglyCathKidstonBag · 09/07/2018 19:50

@MNHQ hey what are you going to do about Daimbars? They are posting extremely distressing posts heaping blame for rape upon women. This needs to be dealt with, this is beyond any limits of this debate. We need some action here.

Datun · 09/07/2018 19:53

However, you cannot compare the transgender community to the straight male community. Only one of these communities has been subject to unspeakable hatred and violence through the course of history. Therefore it is incredibly important that we do not use unsubstantiated generalisations against the transgender community, as it could lead to extremely dangerous consequences for them, even worse than what they already face.

You're kidding, right? Men who identify as women display exactly the same criminal pattern as any other man.

Nearly half of the transwomen in prison on there for sex offences.

On this very thread, you have links to 4 other threads showing how lesbians are being targeted, persecuted and coerced into sex.

You have umpteen screenshots calling lesbians transphobic and saying they deserve to be raped, for not agreeing that men can be lesbians.

You have a further set of screenshots taken since the pride march, showing vitriol and violent threats aimed towards lesbians.

Does it never feel even the teensy, weensy, little bit embarrassing to relentlessly maintain a point that is so easily refuted?