Lesbians react to London Pride

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Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

• If someone says someone tried to rape them, please listen. In the same way as not all men rape women, not all transpeople rape.

if 10'people say they have been subject to threats of rape and bullying, don't dismiss it. Investigate.*

Of course of course of course! Just don't distribute leaflets at Pride accusing trans people of promoting rape culture.

Daim so you apologise for upsetting me but you think rape culture is fine (as displayed in your very clear statement)?
You may not directly engage in pushing sex with penis upon women but your statement directly places you firmly in the group of people who prop up and support all forms of rape culture. This doesn’t make you a rapist but it makes you complicit in supporting a culture that damages all women but particularly in this case lesbian and bisexual women.

I find your statement to be violent, shameful and distressing. You should be banned from this website.

You are deliberately trying to switch around statements in order to make anyone who challenges you look bad. You made a direct statement that supports rape culture, you should be ashamed of yourself.

MIdgebabe saying no thanks prevents sex. Only rapists rape.

Of course of course of course! Just don't distribute leaflets at Pride accusing trans people of promoting rape culture.

I am sure the Lesbians will submit to your demands just as soon as the transgender advocates stop promoting rape culture by demonizing women who say no.

oi oi daim!

If someone says someone tried to rape them, please listen. In the same way as not all men rape women, not all transpeople rape.

Of course. Of course we should listen to women who have been raped. I never, ever said anything to the contrary.

However, you cannot compare the transgender community to the straight male community. Only one of these communities has been subject to unspeakable hatred and violence through the course of history. Therefore it is incredibly important that we do not use unsubstantiated generalisations against the transgender community, as it could lead to extremely dangerous consequences for them, even worse than what they already face.

Why can women not compare these males to those males when the behavior is the same? Is this a new rule of misogyny?
12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

it is incredibly important that we do not use unsubstantiated generalisations against the transgender community, as it could lead to extremely dangerous consequences for them, even worse than what they already face.

So true.

Of course of course of course! Just don't distribute leaflets at Pride accusing trans people of promoting rape culture.
The leaflets DO NOT say this.
There was NO hate crime by lesbians peacefully protesting.

(Although the trans person shouting abuse and throwing a bottle at peacefully protesting lesbians needs further investigation)

You are gaslighting and everyone lurking can see this.
Keep twisting those words!

BertsFriend you're about the 100th person to have said that. Do you really think MN would let me post if I was a troll.

It's really tiresome facing a barrage of 'I don't believe yous' from feminists of all people.

I wonder why 100s of people have said it.

Mumsnet don't ever delete unless they're completely sure. Even then they let pretty dubious stuff stay.

To be honest though you're such a terrible advocate for your cause that you do half the work for us.

It's really tiresome facing a barrage of 'I don't believe yous' from feminists of all people.
Stop telling porky pies. See, that was easy.
MN guidelines do not forbid lies and the lying liars who tell them.
They call that "free speech". Facilitating liars.

I'd like to see evidence that lesbians are being coerced into having sex with people they don't wish to have sex with, and that the transgender community has a lot of people within it that are responsible for this. Just as that leaflet claimed.

Start here.

"Cotton Ceiling" evidence thread
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

How would MN know who you are? You register, then you're good to go. MN don't know if I'm a straight male/lesbian or identify as a character from Star Trek. How would they?

However, you cannot compare the transgender community to the straight male community.

Plenty of them are male and straight. If I get raped by a member of any minority group, should I just STFU about it?

Innate gender ideology promotes rape culture.

Whether individual male people are rapists isn't what's being debated. Rape culture is everywhere, why would this be any different?

However, you cannot compare the transgender community to the straight male community.

Plenty of them are male and straight. If I get raped by a member of any minority group, should I just STFU about it?

Therefore it is incredibly important that we do not use unsubstantiated generalisations against the transgender community, as it could lead to extremely dangerous consequences for them, even worse than what they already face.

Oh, absolutely. (And ditto lesbians who have inconvenient views on gender, of course, probably don't slur them as neo-nazi bigots as I have seen on Twitter only this evening.)

However. When there is a problem, and the problem is specifically that some lesbians are feeling pressured into accepting trans women as potential sexual partners/called bigots and transphobes and 'genital fetishists' if they don't, what do you think they should do about it? Not speak up? Not say that the people doing this are using gender identity theory (i.e., penises can be female) to apply this pressure?

You come across as a MRA. That's why I'm struggling to believe you're a lesbian.

@BertsFriend
I agree, most people see it for what it is.
Hello to you and oi oi.

"However, you cannot compare the transgender community to the straight male community. Only one of these communities has been subject to unspeakable hatred and violence through the course of history"

Assuming they are all the same race isn't very intersectional of you.

Daim it's not about trans women raping women, it's about your statement that women with their own minds won't get raped.

That's a disgusting thing to say.

I felt like I wasn't sure what this 'rape culture' was, but actually I can see this is it, right here, from you.

Lol I posted my civil partnership certificate on another thread but it still wasn't good enough.

I've decided every time I get accused of lying I'll post this brilliant message from the editor of Diva instead:

I am so disappointed that a day full of joy and celebration was hijacked by a small minority of women with the intention of spreading hate.

They say trans activism erases lesbians. They say our young people are at risk.

But I am a lesbian, and like the vast majority of women loving women I know, I am not erased by the existence of trans people. I am enriched.

DIVA is unequivocal in its support of trans people. We stand with our trans and non-binary siblings today, tomorrow and for as long as it takes to rid the world of transphobia. As we’ve said before, and we’ll say again, it has no place in DIVA and no place in our community.

To these protesters I say simply: you do not speak for me, you do not speak for my friends, you do not speak for our community and you do not speak for DIVA. Take your hate elsewhere.

www.divamag.co.uk/Diva-Magazine/News/Their-behaviour-was-shocking-and-disgusting-and-we-condemn-it-completely/