Lesbians react to London Pride

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Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

@Pratchet
Get the L out. Next year there will be a bigger protest. And the next. And the next.
oi oi
Manchester Pride soon.

What about the straight community is referenced there?

And why would members of the "queer" community be beyond all reproach? If lesbians are facing sexual coercion from biological males claiming to be lesbians, shouldn't we talk about it?

Sorry LGBTQIA can you explain that? I really don't get your point.

Probably the part that associates the queer community with the straight community and implies that queer people are just as responsible for rape culture. Sounds pretty hateful to me

You'll have to post it up, I can't see that at all.
Which is probably why non of the Lesbian protesters were arrested for Hate Crime.........and I have been to Specsavers special like.

To your two points Daim:

1. Nothing to do with me Ah, I see. Once you're a married lesbian, the ladder gets pulled up 'nothing to do with me'. That's an unusual stance. But I respect your point of view.

Still. That. Seems. Unusual.

2. Empathy, solely for your friend at Pride who is trans. Gays, lesbians and bisexuals can easily go about their lives every day without prejudice, but trans people cannot.

Really? It's now safe and absolutely A-OK to go about your life as a lesbian, or B/G without prejudice?

Without anyone raising an eyebrow? Without checking your environment before holding hands/kissing/revealing your partner status?

Do you live in Brirghton? Would you like to move to Barnsley (sorry Barnsley!) Although the UK has made strides, I'm gobsmacked you think this is the case.

And if lots of trans people 'pass' (cos, you know, apparently they're already in all our spaces without us even knowing) why would it be a problem for them, because everyone will assume they're just LGB?

Nothing in your post makes logical sense.

Are we seriously all the way back to "I allegedly have no idea what rape culture means and will disingenuously claim it is something else so I can moan about the nasty lesbians"?!

It would appear so.

Could queer male people use speech and give opinions which create an atmosphere which could be described as rape culture?

Why would anyone imagine this issue would be exclusive to only hetro males?

And now that people who are essentially hetro males are under the lgbtqias4c umbrella, it's not surprising at all is it?

If so, why should women not mention it?

If you don't know what a lesbian is, you might also be confused about other things, such as cliffs?

Oh, Cliff
Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if
You really are a Cliff
When fascists keep trying to push you over it
Are they the lemmings?
Or are you Cliff?
Or are you, Cliff?

Loled on the bus

What about the straight community is referenced there?

The first two sentences.

And why would members of the "queer" community be beyond all reproach? If lesbians are facing sexual coercion from biological males claiming to be lesbians, shouldn't we talk about it?

Yes, we should talk about any type of sexual coercion/predatory behaviour, but we shouldn't use discussion of actual sexual predators to fuel propaganda about an already vulnerable and marginalized community without examining every piece of evidence first.

Why would anyone imagine this issue would be exclusive to only hetro males?

And now that people who are essentially hetro males are under the lgbtqias4c umbrella, it's not surprising at all is it?

If so, why should women not mention it?

Precisely.

without examining every piece of evidence first.

What evidence would you like to see? I've seen plenty. All anecdotal though, I doubt there are many controlled peer reviewed papers.

I don’t think “we shouldn’t trust women to honestly relate their own experiences” is a great standard when it comes to reports of sexual coercion, tbh.

What evidence would you like to see? I've seen plenty. All anecdotal though, I doubt there are many controlled peer reviewed papers.

I'd like to see evidence that lesbians are being coerced into having sex with people they don't wish to have sex with, and that the transgender community has a lot of people within it that are responsible for this. Just as that leaflet claimed.

I'd like to see evidence that lesbians are being coerced into having sex with people they don't wish to have sex with

Your evidence is that several lesbians have described this as happening to them. Is that enough? Or have we forgotten the lessons of #metoo so quickly?

I don’t think “we shouldn’t trust women to honestly relate their own experiences” is a great standard when it comes to reports of sexual coercion, tbh.

And at no point did I say that. I agree with you totally. My issue comes with those associating the actions of sexual abusers with the transgender community as a whole.

Yes, we should talk about any type of sexual coercion/predatory behaviour

Well yes, but this was a protest about women's experience in the LGBT community. Or do protests also have to be fully inclusive as well now.

Daim FYI what you posted here yesterday (which was subsequently deleted) has left me feeling very unsafe posting on FWR.

Pride organisers are asking for volunteers at Pride who identify as trans to submit clips of their reactions to Saturday's protest. They're compiling a video response.

I hate how this is all being framed and dismissed as transphobia. I have so many people on my Facebook decrying the homophobic protest. Not much support.

All - every single one - found it unsavoury, malicious, bullying and gloaty, sneery, sarcastic and most of all untrue.

the thread posted in support of people condemning the actions of Get The L Out? Your friends found the support unsavoury?

I think you might be in a bit of a tangle here. This thread was started by someone who thinks the protestors were Jolly Naughty Indeed. It could definitley be argued they did it in a sneery manner, but I dont think that's what you're saying at all!

I am also very interested in those "anti-trans" receipts from feminists, please. Threatening violence, doxxing, reprisals, rape etc.

Oops. Typo. *Transphobic protest.

I’m not reading the whole thread because I’m tired and this stuff is stressful, but I have to say, when I thought I couldn’t get any angrier, the reaction to the lesbians at Pride did it. I’m livid. This is serious, serious shit going on here. Women’s rights are going backwards at an alarming rate and we have to actually get off our arses and organise before it’s too bloody late.

Honestly, between this and the Fry and Moyet Twitter stuff, I’m about ready to blow a gasket.

UglyCath still have no idea what upset you so much? But I apologised before and happy to do so again. It wasn't my intention to upset anyone.

What was your intention when you called me a violent rape apologist?

Oh, blinking flip I missed half the thread before i posted that!

Talk about in a tangle

Loled on the bus

Fascist.