Lesbians react to London Pride

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Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

'a female homosexual can be someone who was born biologically female, and someone who was not'

What?

You really, seriously, honestly believe that same-sex attraction is the same as same-gender-different-sex i.e. heterosexual attraction?

WTF?

I think that's ignoring rather a lot of the physical basis of attraction (put as mildly as I can).

@YourMajestyJ

And you know that... how?

I can assure you I am not, but whatever you like.

Agree with poster who said lesbians can be born with female or male genitals. Because genitals alone doesn't distinguish sex, whatever you like to think. Hormones, many other things.

I don't believe in non-consensual sex, or with non-divulgence of being trans. It's everyone's right to know who they're having sex with, and make an informed decision.

I'll continue to think that, and if I had been in any doubt (I wasn't) this thread would have convinced me further.

Also I teach this to young people. Large numbers. And I will continue to do so in the hope that they'll speak to others because I believe very strongly that it's right.

If you don't - I don't agree, but that's absolutely your prerogative.

I'll repeat what I said above - awaiting the name calling - happy and secure in the knowledge that I am a feminist and support all women.

One of these days, I'm accidentally going to type 'Are you bloody bonkers?' on a thread instead of sitting on my hands, and then MN will ban me, and I'll get ever so much more work done.

Just to be clear:I'm asking about groups which exclude lesbian's who have a penis> what do you think about those groups?

Yes I'm in one of those groups, it's called my marriage. What do I think of it? Very happy with my marriage thanks.

Any other questions?

LGBTQIA

You might want to read the talk guidelines.

Britain is 80% white and there were six of them.
One single BAME lesbian would have been proportional, none is hardly miles from one, is it.

LGBTQIA, I started a thread on commercial surrogacy just the other day, sharing a number of articles pointing out how the practice unfairly targets poor WOC in developing countries. I would love to discuss this topic more - please do feel free to join in!

Also, the T-word is banned under Mumsnet talk guidelines as a slur. I’m sure you just didn’t know, but if you wonder why your post gets deleted, that’ll be why

I am definitely not homophobic, but if you want to ask me any other questions, I'd be happy to clarify further. There is no equality law to state that a lesbian needs to have been biologically female at birth.

Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic under law and is defined as being based on sex.

Sex is also a protected characteristic under law and it clearly states that women are female.

Transgender males, even with a GRC, are not recognised as females by law.

Why does it have to come down to law anyway? All decent people know what homosexual means.

Genuine question to LGBTQIA

Intersex people have specifically asked not to be included in the transagenda because they recognise that being intersex is a medical condition and nothing to do with transgenderism or sexuality. Why are you continuing to include a marginalised community that has specifically asked not to be included?

I am a feminist and support all women.

That’s great. How do you define ‘women’ there?

I see the bat signal has gone up.

Has always been the same for the men's rights lot.

Come to think of it, I have yet to meet a TERF

They strike you from on high for that around here.

LGBTQIA I'm a pro trans poster but it's against talk guidelines to use the word terf on here - we're not allowed to use cis either.

Being a lesbian is not a hive mind mentality. Many bisexual women will have sex with a woman who has not had (either because they are waiting for, or because they have decided not to undergo) top/bottom surgery. Many won't do that. Both of those things are ok. It is not up to TERFs to decide what the definition of lesbian is.

Fixed it for you.

The defintion of lesbian is female homosexual, something that is a protected characteristic under law.

I'll tell you who doesn't get to define it, and that's males.

Being a lesbian is not a hive mind mentality.

No, but being a lesbian is a clearly defined protected class in law. Any guesses as to the definition?!

* Just to be clear:I'm asking about groups which exclude lesbian's who have a penis> what do you think about those groups?

Yes I'm in one of those groups, it's called my marriage. What do I think of it? Very happy with my marriage thanks.

Any other questions?

Yes I do.

What do you think about female lesbians without pensises forming groups, such as clubs which have membership etc which exclude lesbians who have a penis?

You knew I wasn't talking about marriage, as did everyone else reading your disingenuous response).

You can keep avoiding the obvious issue here, and I can keep reframing the question if you like, it's a good game, and it's very clear to anyone reading what you are doing.

As a side point... It's actually rather offensive how many bisexual people will not say they are biesexual, despite clearly being attracted to/having sex with both males and females.

It's like they view "bisexual" as a slur, you know like when people deny things are mental health problems, not because they are not, but because they view "mental health problems" as a value judgement and a negative thing.

Seriously. By LGBTQIAs definition and stonewalls expanding the bandwidth of trans I seriously think I would be labelled a gay trans man, unless my partner identifies as female then maybe we are trans but straight.

This mangling of language renders words useless along with the legal protections they give.

I'll tell you who doesn't get to define it, and that's males.

Well it's just as well I'm not male.

Apologies for the use of the 'T' word, I had no idea it was seen as a slur on here, or anywhere. What is the preferred term for people who do not believe that transwomen are women?

I was at Pride on Saturday and was horrified by what I saw, as was my group of bisexual and lesbian identifying friends. I came on here to understand why some people would agree with this sort of rhetoric and, at times, hate speech. I'm still at a loss.

LGBTQIA you asked if anyone had more questions, I did:

Do some females have a penis?

Do some lesbians have a penis?

Are lesbians who reject partners because they have a penis transphobic?

Thanks for answering any questions we have.

Wow though. I wonder how Linda, Claire, Jana, Charley and all the many others will feel to learn that they were coercively and violently assigned white by the woke?

"What is the preferred term for people who do not believe that transwomen are women?"

Biologists? People with eyes?

Erm the preffered term is just people
Not identifying as anything

What do you think about female lesbians without pensises forming groups, such as clubs which have membership etc which exclude lesbians who have a penis?

Can you give an example of such a club? What is the ethos?

Without outing myself the lesbian clubs I'm in have a purpose other than simply being a place for lesbians without a penis to gather.