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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbians react to London Pride

999 replies

garam · 08/07/2018 19:28

Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

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daimbars · 09/07/2018 12:41

LurkingBee you obviously didn't get the sarcasm. I was pointing out there was nothing coercive about that vile tweet.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 09/07/2018 12:42

The repeated insistence of conflating TRAs with all trans people is the biggest problem

You've been conflating 'rape culture' as meaning all trans people being rapists since the start of this thread!

Again: If this is a small, isolated bunch of nut job extremists behaving badly -

why are the trans community not loudly standing with these lesbians and saying these attitudes and behaviours are not acceptable and do not represent them?

LeiaTheSlaya · 09/07/2018 12:42

These anonymous TRAs online often turn out to be trans identifying people daim. Maria McLachlan knows this. The people interviewed on PN live stream, were abusive, threw a bottle & were transwomen. They're posting all over SM boasting about it.

There's not such a gap between TRAs and trans identifying people as you claim.

bigoldscaredycat · 09/07/2018 12:43

These are not extremists.

There are hundreds and hundreds of these tweets. Made by hundreds of different people.

Datun · 09/07/2018 12:43

To the untrained eye it looks very much like all transgender people.

Yeah, no it doesn't.

You have been informed time without number about who is being referred to. And yet, you still enjoy pretending you haven't.

It's a tactic that is going to run out of steam.

It's already run out of steam for most people here, it is just not sustainable to keep pretending you think we're talking about every transsexual.

Cascade220 · 09/07/2018 12:43

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/07/2018 12:45

Media reporting which propagates this conflation by reporting a protest which is pro-women and anti-transactivism as 'anti-trans' is indeed hugely problematic for all the genuinely interested parties.

LangCleg · 09/07/2018 12:45

oi oi Daim. Where's the GC threats of violence?

Datun · 09/07/2018 12:46

If you truly believed it was a few extremists, you would be condemning them. As would Stonewall and Pink news.

No one in the trans community is condemning them.

Because they must agree with them or are them.

BeyondRaggydoll · 09/07/2018 12:51

"It is fine to have a problem with TRAs"

...

TRANSACTIVISM ERASES LESBIANS

...

So you agree the banner is fine now? As it's about TRAs, who you agree are a legitimate issue?

LeiaTheSlaya · 09/07/2018 12:53

No one in the trans community is condemning them.

Because they must agree with them or are them.

This. 100% this.

You really have to wonder about the base morality of a movement so willing to support this. Oh to be so woke eh?

LurkingBee · 09/07/2018 12:53

LurkingBee you obviously didn't get the sarcasm. I was pointing out there was nothing coercive about that vile tweet.

So you now admit it is "vile" rather than "a chat up line".

Datun · 09/07/2018 12:58

Exhorting lesbians to suck dick, whether gummy bears or not, supports rape culture.

Exhorting anyone to 'suck dick' is rape culture.

My lover asking me if I would suck his dick is not rape culture.

A man on the Internet using it as a threat, is.

daimbars · 09/07/2018 12:58

Why are the trans community not loudly standing with these lesbians and saying these attitudes and behaviours are not acceptable and do not represent them?

Maybe because the lesbians chose Pride, a day for celebrating trans people, to make this very nuanced protest about the actions of a subset of trans people.

Has anybody high profile spoken up in support of these protesters? I've only seen their actions condemned but that probably reflects who I follow on Twitter.

I'm interested to see what support they have received?

AssassinatedBeauty · 09/07/2018 13:00

"Pride, a day for celebrating trans people,"...um?

Cascade220 · 09/07/2018 13:00

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LeiaTheSlaya · 09/07/2018 13:01

Pride, a day for celebrating trans people

Your bias is showing again Daim. Your not even trying anymore are you?

It's all about meeeeeeeeeeeeee!

bigoldscaredycat · 09/07/2018 13:02

Of course no one is willing to speak up for them daim! Not because they don’t agree with them, but because they are afraid - for their reputations, their livelihoods, their safety and they aren’t willing to take that risk. Just look at what happens to women who try to speak up. JK Rowling merely liked a GC tweet a few months ago and was piled upon.

PS Pride is also a day for celebrating lesbians. You know, female homosexuals?

Sarahconnor1 · 09/07/2018 13:03

Maybe because the lesbians chose Pride, a day for celebrating trans people, to make this very nuanced protest about the actions of a subset of trans people.

Bollocks. These threats have been going on for months if not years well before the pride protest. They are not hidden or covert.

The 'community' has had so much time and opportunity to come out in support and they have largely chose not to.

daimbars · 09/07/2018 13:03

We are talking about trans people here. Obviously pride is about celebrating gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, questioning, asexual, pansexual people as well I didn't realise I had to list them all each time.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 09/07/2018 13:05

I thought it was originally a day celebrating homosexual people

Just the T now though

Did anyone explain that to the lesbians and gay men?

daimbars · 09/07/2018 13:05

LeiaTheSlaya I'm not trans I'm a lesbian and I'd like to be able to enjoy Pride without being confronted with this hatred. It has no place in our community.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 09/07/2018 13:06

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FUCKING LESBIANS!!!

Thats what the thread is about ....the lesbian protest

Datun · 09/07/2018 13:06

Maybe because the lesbians chose Pride, a day for celebrating trans people, to make this very nuanced protest about the actions of a subset of trans people.

Do you think a handful of lesbians just woke up that day and thought you know what I'm getting a bit fed up with this, let's protest about it at pride.

Lesbians have been vehemently protesting about this since it started. Everywhere. On every single social media platform you can think of. Writing letters. Tweeting, sending emails. Condemning stonewalls stupid definitions.

There is loads of support for these lesbians.

But, again, your disgraceful use of manipulation is being noted.

Innocently asking where is all the support, when you, and all the trans-activists in the country are deliberately framing this is anti-trans, minimising rape culture and refusing to publicly define what a lesbian is, is repugnant.

Putting as much negative spin on this as you possibly can, and then claiming triumphantly that people can't see through it, is positively Machiavellian in its scheming.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 09/07/2018 13:06

That looks wring written down Hmm