Lesbians react to London Pride

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Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

Datun if you feel individual trans people are committing crimes then report them to the police.

It's not about individuals, you know that. It's about changing the meaning of words.

And who is doing it and why.

I can't help it if the word rape sounds very serious to you!

It is bloody serious.

Pretending that men are lesbians, the penis is a female organ, and blowjobs is cunnilingus, supports rape culture.

It just does.

If you think that sounds a bit strong, guess what, you're bloody right.

Maybe you are beginning to get it.

No FloralBunting I wouldn't have been fine with it, I just would have dismissed it as mean spirited party poopers showing their distaste for trans women.

There wouldn't have been all the press coverage and high profile support for trans women from Stephen Fry etc if it was just a mean spirited banner.

It's interesting - I'm quite sure that if If there were accusations of a rape culture in my organisation, they would be on it straight away, issuing statements to the effect that they do not condone such a culture and take the accusation very seriously.

And yet organisations like Pride and Stonewall think they can get away with the age old tactic of blustering and blaming the accusers.

I wonder why.

Floisme if it was based on fact or reported to the police it would be taken very seriously but It's not.

The rape culture accusation is based on GC feminists' interpretation of articles like the one Ova shared - rational people can clearly see this article does not support a rape culture in any way at all. It doesn't even mention lesbians.

So, daim, your point and indeed, your complaint, is that it's mean to say a lesbian is a female homosexual, so it shouldn't be done, but it isn't mean enough for anyone to care about it? It's only when the corollary about rape culture is brought up that people notice the shit you're putting lesbians through, so you're cross about that? Yes, publicity on shitty homophobia is a bugger, isn't it?

daim

You're wrong.

I don't know if you're just blind, or wilful.

As a result of lesbians trying to uphold the very bloody meaning of the word yesterday, at a march designed for them, they have been subjected to disgusting threats.

Do not dare tell me that the whole lesbian culture is not under threat and utterly surrounded by violent men persecuting them.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301265-If-you-need-proof-of-the-hatred-women-who-speak-up-face#prettyPhoto

"Eat a bag of gummy dicks, TERF".

"Piss on them".

Hundreds of these. All because lesbians won't do dick.

You know how MN is supposed to be seething site of transphobia? How come I never see any posts like the ones I am seeing from TRAs?

I see GC feminists called bigots, haters, Nazis, TERFs, etc but I don't see the same language used about or towards TRAs.

Wonder why.

That's not what I said, daim. I said that my organisation would be on it like a shot, irrespective of whether anything had been reported to the police. They most certainly would not go jumping to conclusions or accusing the accusers as Pride, Stonewall - and you - are doing.

I think it's interesting that they clearly think they can get away with it.

"Eat a bag of gummy dicks, TERF".

Very unpleasant. And yes if this 'chat up line' is really being used to coerce lesbians to have sex, and they are doing so to avoid being seen as transphobic then yes we have a problem.

I am still struggling to see how a TRA saying eat a bag of gummy dicks is a rape culture. I'm clearly missing something.

So basically Daim you're fine with the TRA community carrying out and supporting homophobia and sexual coercement of lesbians.

You're emphatically not fine with lesbians telling people this is happening to them.

If it's wrong to be homophobic and sexually coercive of lesbians, why aren't the trans community as a body saying so, standing up with lesbians against the section of the community carrying this out, and making clear that it's unacceptable?

I can see the clear link between the rape culture those lesbians were protesting and the tweets posted there. Can you daim? Do you have special glasses that filter out anything that highlights the abusive bullying nature of TRAs? The same abusive bullying nature those lesbians are telling us is pressuring lesbians into coercive sex with TW. It's as clear as day, so I'd be surprised to read anything other than acknowledgement of the problem of rape culture being evident in Trans circles.

Over to you daim.

"debate never works so fuck them up"

Or to paraphrase
"Can't persuade those bitches to accept ladydick, better beat it into them"

Much progressive.

I repeat my offer that I made on the other thread. £100 to any trans charity if anyone, daim included, can show me the same volume of threatening hate filled tweets coming from GC feminists and directed at trans people. Made in the last couple of days, as these were.

I’m pretty sure my money is safe.

"Eat a bag of gummy dicks, TERF".

Very unpleasant. And yes if this 'chat up line' is really being used to coerce lesbians to have sex

There does seem to be a complete comprehension fail here daim - that's not a 'chat up line' that's aggressive sexual language being used in an abusive context. You really struggle with this stuff don't you daim?

oi oi Daim. You've been challenged.

Nope. The repeated insistence of conflating TRAs with all trans people is the biggest problem.

TRAs are to trans people what Isis are to Muslims. They are extremists.

It is fine to have a problem with TRAs. It's fine to have a problem with Isis, but to use your hatred for Isis as a basis for turning up at a peaceful Ramadan party with hateful leaflets about all Muslims is where the GC argument becomes unstuck. And starts to look unhinged.

daim - you can't be serious.

Okay, here is some more.

When I first read about the cotton ceiling and the relentless threatening and persecution of lesbians, I checked it out.

An hour online shocked to me to my core.

I think older lesbians aren't as well informed. Especially if they are in long-term relationships. Younger lesbians will gravitate instantly, to communities which are online. A huge part of their lives are conducted online. Especially for seeking dates and support.

The second one of the screenshots is to a 15-year-old girl.

There are, quite literally, hundreds and hundreds of these.

Sorry meant Eid not Ramadan!

Daimbars Re: "Eat a bag of gummy dicks, TERF".
Very unpleasant. And yes if this 'chat up line' is really being used to coerce lesbians to have sex, and they are doing so to avoid being seen as transphobic then yes we have a problem.I am still struggling to see how a TRA saying eat a bag of gummy dicks is a rape culture. I'm clearly missing something.

"Eat a bag of gummydicks, TERF" is a "chat up line." to Daim

Yes, you are clearly missing something. I'll agree with that bit of your post.
Don't stop posting Daim, the lurkers are looking in. You're contributions are really helping us to understand and support the Get the L out protest.

Datun - my advice would be to ensure people are aware its these anonymous TRAs on Internet forums that GC feminists have the problem with. To the untrained eye it looks very much like all transgender people.

Nope. The repeated insistence of conflating TRAs with all trans people is the biggest problem.

TRAs are to trans people what Isis are to Muslims. They are extremists.

Which is exactly WHY the banner said transactivism, not transwomen.

(Despite a transwoman being anyone who says they are).