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Lesbians react to London Pride

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garam · 08/07/2018 19:28

Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

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Pratchet · 09/07/2018 04:37

Cath, they're awful. It's incredible that you keep on keeping on, in the face of such callousness.

thewitchofwentworth · 09/07/2018 05:37

I had a brief look through that hashtag and there appear to be a number of posts that are tagging one or more people and saying something like

Please would you record and share a vid saying "I am a cis female lesbian. I stand with the trans community. Trans women do not erase me. Keep the L with the T"

The rest of the posts are women parroting that back. So it's not exactly a spontaneous outpouring of support, trans activists are going to lesbians they know and giving them a script to read out.

It reminds me of the shows of support for Saddam Hussein and other dictators. Everyone trying to outdo each other and show how supportive they are. After all, they don't want to be seen as one of the bad lesbians do they now...

Dottierichardson · 09/07/2018 06:54

Has anybody looked at Lachlan Stuart's (the Labour policy advisor) Twitter feed lately?

Bespin · 09/07/2018 07:02

love the lwiththet hash tag its hard to. forget that outside here there are so. many people that support trans people.

MIdgebabe · 09/07/2018 07:12

Poor form bespin Inside here people support transpeople.

Inside here however people do not suppport anyone displaying hate towards woman. They do not support rape threats. They do not support coercive sex. The do not support the replacement of sex by the nebulous gender. They do not support coercive conversion of young lesbians. They do not accept that these beliefs make them transphobic.

Can I ask you to condemn those behaviours?

daimbars · 09/07/2018 07:39

Inside here people 'support' trans people by telling them they condone a rape culture and anyone who stands up for trans people is a rape apologist.

To be fair to Bespin it's an easy mistake to make to think that people on here do not support trans people.

daimbars · 09/07/2018 07:40

By the way I'm not sure what I said to upset Cath but whatever it was I apologise, that wasn't my intention.

Bespin · 09/07/2018 07:40

MIdgebabe

sorry was just reading back through the thread as was no not on here much yesterday cos like life and stuff.
serious stuff first to anyone on. here who faced what is defined as coercive sex I hope that you can heal from that experiance and that you are safe and well. no one should ever face that situation ever no matter how it is presented, or rape threats I am glad we all agree on that and that anyone who posts to place a positive spin on that really needs to take a minute to think about what they are advocating.

Now the less serious stuff, as I said I read back through the thread and I had to smile you guys sometimes. I loved the interpretation of me going to bed as I had nothing, to be honest I had a bit of heat stroke last night been in the sun all day.

also I do love the image as some sort of fixer for TRAs in a better call sol sort of way. I do often wonder if I have managed to gain a whole thread in the other place yet or not lol. but if I spent my. Time worrying what people thought then I'd do noting.
anyway if we have got to the point online where anyone showing compassion for another human being is questioned then I feel we are all lost. be careful when you other people you loose sight of your own humanity when you do. (I can not remember who said that but I feel its true).

have a lovely day all I'm off to go fix other stuff now.

Bespin · 09/07/2018 07:47

daimbars I don't think everyone on here hates trans people, that's the point most. of them don't and in real life I would have nothing to fear from any of them. because in real life we are poeple just like anyone else. but on here we can be presented anyway people want. there is a small group of people on here that want to stifle any debate or discussion and they pop up time and agan when other people are having reasoned discussion.

daimbars · 09/07/2018 07:59

Going right back to one of the first points raised by Datun

We need to identify people who approve of the sexual harassment of lesbians.

It would be great if I could have some help with the following sexual harassment I've been experiencing:

So as a lesbian, would you have sex with a penis?

Is there a special word or term for lesbians who don't like cock?

What is your definition of lesbian?

If you can't define woman and you're unwilling to define lesbian, your claim to even be a lesbian is moot, Daimbars.

LurkingBee · 09/07/2018 09:06

By the way I'm not sure what I said to upset Cath but whatever it was I apologise, that wasn't my intention.
Daimbars

anyway if we have got to the point online where anyone showing compassion for another human being is questioned then I feel we are all lost. be careful when you other people you loose sight of your own humanity when you do.
Bespin ( who pretends it's everyone else except Daimbars )

Nominated for: The Burke and Hare most dodgy double act award.

ArcheryAnnie · 09/07/2018 09:09

You sound just like Owen Jones, daim, who is first in the "transwomen are women!!" line, but cries "HDU, I'm a gay man!" if asked whether his inclusivity extends to having sex with a female-bodied transman.

It's fine for women to be told they must accept cock, no, you don't think that's sexual harrassment or rape culture at all, but when one of you who object to the very idea of same-sex attraction being a real and valid thing, you have a fit of the vapours.

What utter horseshit.

LangCleg · 09/07/2018 09:15

That less than a dozen women holding a banner and laying in the road can provoke this level of narcissistic injury and rage tells you everything you need to know.

TheFemaleGaze · 09/07/2018 09:15

@daimbars it was what you didn't say.

Ereshkigal · 09/07/2018 09:18

That less than a dozen women holding a banner and laying in the road can provoke this level of narcissistic injury and rage tells you everything you need to know.

Indeed it does.

daimbars · 09/07/2018 09:25

Btw I don't think the 'lesbian = female homosexual' banner is that much of a big deal.

It's a bit like holding up a banner at a beach where women are sunbathing saying 'women have cellulite'

Technically true but a bit mean, more like being a party pooper than being seriously offensive.

It's the rape culture accusations that are the serious bit imo.

LangCleg · 09/07/2018 09:33

Hey, women of FWR - what banner stating the blindingly obvious would you hold up? I think I'd go with a classic Lisa Muggeridge quote:

THE PENIS CAN'T HELP ANNOUNCING ITSELF

Floisme · 09/07/2018 09:33

If stating facts is party pooping then this is an even bigger mess than I thought. But anyway rape culture - yes I totally agree - that is very serious. And it would have been kind of encouraging to have had a statement from the organisers to say they would be taking the accusations very seriously indeed.

Datun · 09/07/2018 09:36

Yeah daimbars those examples you gave aren't sexual harrassment.

Unless you don't understand that sexual harassment is trying to coerce someone into having sex with you.

Just like your definition of rape culture - which isn't accusing someone of rape.

We can go back and forth like this all day. But you've nailed you colours to the mast in a way that you have studiously avoided doing up until now.

Shark well and truly jumped.

BeyondRaggydoll · 09/07/2018 09:38

Lang, I'm sticking with
THE LADY DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH

Datun · 09/07/2018 09:39

It's the rape culture accusations that are the serious bit imo.

Oh don't be so silly. Or is this disingenuousness?

Saying you don't think that the 'lesbian equals female homosexual' is particularly bad, but the rape culture, is, is entirely missing the point.

Lesbian equalling female homosexual is crucial and absolutely central, to the issue of rape culture!

It's not about how strong a message you think those two things are, it's about their relationship with one another. Ffs.

BeyondRaggydoll · 09/07/2018 09:39

Oo, even better - we could tie this in with the Churchill quotes! Grin

FloralBunting · 09/07/2018 09:43

'Lesbian = female homosexual' is an equivalent to 'Women have cellulite'?

For a start, no one is trying to deny that women have cellulite', so the comparison falls at the first hurdle there. And of course, I don't know any women who think cellulite is a positive good. Maybe some women don't really care.

So what you've done is compare a definition of perfectly normal, positive sexuality to a cosmetic issue that most women dislike. Which is just another example of you displaying a rather unfortunate amount of self-loathing if you are a lesbian.

LeiaTheSlaya · 09/07/2018 09:45

I thought this thread was to be deleted - seeing as its already been established that posting banned words via a link (as the Lisa muggeridge thread was deleted) isn't permitted.

This isn't another example of MNHQ bending the rules again when it means supporting the sexual harassment of lesbians, is it? Surely not?

OvaHere · 09/07/2018 09:49

Technically true but a bit mean, more like being a party pooper than being seriously offensive.

So we are in agreement that lesbian=female homosexual then? That seems like progress.

As for the party pooper phrase it's something that gets levelled at women a lot.

Saying no to your teenager who wants to stay up all night gaming and drinking red bull on a school night = party pooper

Saying no to your partner who wants to spend all the family money on a week long boozy lads holiday whilst you are pregnant (this one comes up a lot on MN) = party pooper

Women saying no is a problem for a lot of people who want to behave as they please without consequence.