A woman is an adult female human

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Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

Well, unless all women have hideous facial disfigurement, I don't look like most women. I don't give a toss how people 'look, that's not what is at stake here. Please have a read of this and understand that we are trying to protect women and children - and it's nothing to do with excluding someone on how they look.

stop asking people to PM you. STOP!

Snappity

That's not right. Socially they were politely treated as, and given the courtesy of being referred to, as woman.

Claiming men are actually women, is a new transactivist tactic.

Claiming that female biology is exclusionary, pussyhats are transphobic and sexual orientation is a preference is all new.

Women's marches have been going on annually for decades, without anyone claiming they are transphobic. And all the rest of it.

Snappity, transwomen are transwomen. There is nothing wrong with being a transwoman. They should be protected and able to go about their lives in peace and dignity.

'Transwoman' is their word. It would be ridiculous of me as a woman to appropriate it.

Snappity is being Trump. In clear sight.

Fuck sake MN - you are "allowing" a thread to stand even though you think it may be inflammatory for women to be stating basic biological facts? Shame on you MN for failing to support women.

Well to be honest placemat I asked as even though I have been on here for 6 years I don't know what site people are talking about and if there is somewhere else that allows more free speech than mumsnet then I would appreciate it if someone would let me know!

OK, I'll stop asking for PM, I'll stop looking to mumsnet for info, i'll stop being afraid because i'm a women (from birth, by the way) I'll stop looking to mumsnet as a supportive place for women. Because being new and making a mistake is unforgivable. I'll go now and not bother you again.

I've posted something similar before, but here goes again.

I am a woman. A fully grown female human being. I don't say this to be inflammatory or hostile. This is the pure and simple truth. I neither want nor need the term "cis" (or any other additional descriptor for that matter) to define or describe me further. I refuse to stand by and let anyone take the term woman from me and redefine it. I refuse to be silenced.

No one is taking the term woman away from you.

Superbstarling I read that the PP was trying to protect you from PM hassling? Or maybe I misunderstood myself?

My argument isn't trying to remove any definitions of women. Women are adult human females. But to expand the definition to include people in male bodies that claim to be women.

So you are changing the definition then, to include men? How can adult human female include people in male bodies? They are adult human males surely?

@Glitched - but if the word comes to include every former Tom, Dick and Harry it's not a lot of use, is it?!

I am posting as a woman who has not yet commented on this thread (so I'm not repeating anything) in order to agree with the original post, A woman is an adult human female of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

My two biology degrees (first and postgrad) told me the same thing. This is a fact. As a personal perspective, I would like to say I have found that my reproductive biology has affected my life probably more than anything else in both positive and negative ways. It is very important to me as a woman and to my children as females to be able to discuss this. So I also agree with this:

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

For @MNHQ to say that saying a thing over and over again is somehow wrong is emotionally abusive. It's like telling a woman who is being hit by her husband to stop saying 'ow' because she said it once and that should be enough. FFS.

Anyway, it is not one woman saying something over and over again - it is a whole lot of different woman agreeing with one thing. AIBU, Relationship S&B, Infant feeding, A LOT OF MUMSNET IS PEOPLE AGREEING WITH EACH OTHER. If you look on breastfeeding threads there are a lot of people who agree over and over again that the first 6 weeks was the hardest for them. Is that disallowed now?

This is called normal human discussion.

Let's be clear, to say that one woman says "I like a cup of tea" and then 200 other women come onto the thread and say "me too" is not in any way harmful. It is a group of women finding common ground. To disallow that is silencing women.

Shame on you @MNHQ shame on you.

Well I read it as PISS OFF. We only talk to women who have been on here for years, and do not trust you. so hey ho so be it.

Glitched. I (really) don't mean to be rude. But, until you provide us with that definition, you are.

I recently started my first AIBU (I felt a bit anxious about doing this having mostly only posted in FWR)

I asked, "AIBU to say that I am a woman, not a 'non-man' 'non-trans woman' or 'cis women?

I was born female.

I started having periods aged 11.

I started IVF in my late 30s and was diagnosed with gyny cancer.

As a result of the surgery (total hysterectomy) which no doubt saved my life, I have no uterus, cervix or ovaries and am childless but am fortunate to be well. My Gyny cancer was unusually caught at an early stage.

I know these to be uniquely female experiences and as an adult human female, I am a woman....

Sometimes women have to say 'No!'
I think words matter
I think sex matters"

the vast majority of opinions were that this was not unreasonable

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3290927-AIBU-to-say-that-I-am-a-woman-not-a-non-man-non-trans-woman-or-cis-women

For people who want to know what the other place is, the person who was the liaison has left mumsnet.

Without a strong posting history you would not be accepted, I'm afraid. The vetting process is vital.

You would need to look at threads over the last couple of weeks on the feminist board to find anyone else who might be able to help.

Tbh In the light of the breach at Man Friday, I don't think anyone is falling over themselves to recruit posters, at the moment.

Best stay here for the time being.

Glitches

you really are taking it away from me. You're making it a subset of a theoretical identify notion which I simply don't believe.

I have simply no connection with the notion of "feminine" and "feeling like a woman" that is presented. Zip.

And, furthermore, I often find the stereotypes actively offensive and detrimental to me in my life as I g through my life having ludicrous womanly stereotypes shoved in my face everywhere I turn.

Men want to wear makeup, wear dresses, wear high heels, speak in higher pitched voices - knock yourself out. Go for it. But it is DEEPLY offensive to me that I am then put into the same category.

If transpeople don't like what's being discussed on Mumsnet, then perhaps this isn't the site for them?

Or maybe they could discuss their issues on a separate MN transgender board?

I doubt divorced mums feel welcome on Fathers4Justice type forums. I don't visit porn sites because I suspect I wouldn't like the content. I don't expect them to stop because of my sensibilities though.

I think it's worth reminding ourselves that reading ANY forum posts anywhere is not compulsory.

but are we welcome here?

A man can be a feminist’s ally and I can be an ally to a Transwoman.

We aren’t in the same political and biological position within patriarchy. Feminists acknowledge this. We don’t have to fight about it. We do have to acknowledge reality

superbstarling

Of course you are. Just don't ask for people to reply with any confidential information, in the current climate.

It won't happen, because of all the infiltration and breaching that has gone on.

Anyone is welcome to post here. Man, woman, trans or otherwise.

This is a board about women's rights. Anyone can support women's rights.

But woman isn't "your" word. Trans women are women

As I’ve asked so much, can humans change sex?

That's not right. Socially they were politely treated as, and given the courtesy of being referred to, as woman.

No. The Gender Recognition Act went through Parliament 15 years ago and recognised that trans women are women, reaffirming what was already accepted. Trans women have been women for at least 20 years. You might personally not have noticed, but they have been, so "woman' and" women" are their words too.