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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Penny Mordaunt MP: Trans women are women, that is the starting point for this consultation.

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Macareaux · 03/07/2018 07:20

This is even worse coming from a woman.

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PeakPants · 03/07/2018 18:06

Also, if Daniel was merely assigned the wrong gender at birth, why did anyone have a problem with him using the ladies' when he still believed he was male? Surely according to Stonewall etc, he has been a woman all along?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/07/2018 14:01

Well, mne replied. He has read my comments, waht would I like him to do?

I replied

Hi XX,

Ideally I would like XX to apply some common sense as and when he is involved in anything to do with the GRA and Self ID proposals. Mainly not staying silent if and when there is repeat of the blanket "Transwomen are women, this is not up for debate" type statements. There is no need for one cohort of individuals to gain additional protections at the expense of any other cohort. It would also help if he questions the logic of the proposals, e.g. what rights are any trans individuals currently barred from, what health provision are they barred from, what can we not differentiate between natal and trans men and women? Most especially to question the difference between the real violence visited upon natal women by trans women, very recently, ad the 'literal violence' that gender critical people are accused of when trying to discuss the GRA and Self ID!

Our world is changing, rightly we are trying to accommodate those changes. But this year, 100 years of female suffrage etc, we seem to be forgetting the basic truths of life in the UK - we are all equal, we strive for that equality and protect that equality. That does not include silencing anyone's voice with statements such as that made by Ms Mordaunt. I hope, given that I have also emailed her with a similar email to my first to XX, that Ms Mordaunt might reconsider her stance and be more prepared to listen to the voices of women with as much attention as she is giving to transwomen.

Why else is she Minister for Women.... and Equalities?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/07/2018 14:02

Shit! I should have proof read that again!!! Grin Blush

R0wantrees · 04/07/2018 14:28

CuriousaboutSamphire

Penny Mordant is viewed by some prominant TRAs as being 'Minister for Equalities'. This may be simply shorthand.

Its worth sending your email also to Victoria Atkins MP who is specifically Minister for Women within the Women's & Equalities dept

www.gov.uk/government/people/victoria-atkins

PersonWithAVulva · 04/07/2018 15:04

Interesting that as usual its all about transwomen. No mention of transmen. Also the LGBT survey done by the government said transmen experienced the worst quality of life or something, far worse than transwomen. Yet the focus is still on transwomen.

PersonWithAVulva · 04/07/2018 15:07

From the daily mail link...

Poll for Pink News finds just 18 per cent back gender designation without doctor

Very very interesting. Especially given I am sure its mostly transpeople who read the thing now given how homophobic they appear to be a lot of the time.

LadyLauraOver · 04/07/2018 22:13

My MP is in contact. I am hopeful. The tide has turned. Politicians are listening and watching very carefully.

Atalune · 04/07/2018 22:33

My MP is on board!

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