WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

TRAs who espouse #no debate complaining that a meeting is one sided?

I think my brain just turned inside out. Which is literal violence by the way.

Of course a trans panellist would not be welcome unless they were a de-transitioner

Miranda Yardley (invited to original Cornwall meeting and spoke at London one), Debbie Hayton, Kristina Harrison aren't trans?

Or do you just mean not the right kind? It is after all a meeting about women's rights. As pointed out, a trans person stood up and spoke at one of the meetings, and got to have their say. They boasted about depriving women of it. Hmmm. No comment.

As Jacky pointed out, it's not a debate pro and contra trans rights. It's a meeting about safeguarding women's rights.

No Floisme it's the Quakers who don't want to hold a one sided meeting! This is the Quaker policy as they are all about equality. There are hundreds of hotel conference rooms that will happily host a one sided debate.

Daimbers, you are wrong. Trans panellists have spoken at WPUK meetings in Manchester, Birmingham, Basingstoke, Hastings and Todmorden.

Yes but this is Quakers. They actively support all the LGBT community so it goes against their principles.

It would be like asking a church to host a one sided debate from gay activists.

Of all the venues to choose the Quakers is a bizarre choice.

Daimbars. Why bother to lie in plain sight? It is just a waste of everyone's time. You have been told that trans women have spoken at WPUK's meeting and that their speeches and those of others speakers are available for all to see.

You have flipped from, oh I had difficulties in having some kind of community sale at the FMH, don't worry, to the Quakers won't hold the event because it is one sided. As poster have pointed out how does that compare with #nodebate?

What is the point?

Why so sure that the leak is on the Quaker side?
Is it possible that WPUK have a leak?

Are you a Quaker Daim?

As a Quaker for 30yrs (though not brighton meeting) I can say, with some confidence, that hosting WPUK meetings is not in conflict with our testimonies. The reasons for cancelling the meeting are clearly more due to safety concerns. If the TRAs would accept the invitation to come and discuss the issues in a civilised manner then those safety concerns would not exist. It's a rather bizarre situation.

Apologies, not sure where community sale came from I should have said event.

No Floisme it's the Quakers who don't want to hold a one sided meeting!
Thank you. But as I understand it, they were subject to intense pressure from the very people who espouse #No Debate.

The point is I've been to that FMH in Brighton loads of time, I know the people who run it (gentle, kindly folk) I know they are welcoming to everyone from the LGBT community and I know they are very choosy about who they hire the meetings rooms out to.

It's like getting arsey that the W1 won't host a TRA meeting. Why choose a specifically pro equality LGBT friendly venue in the heart of Brighton for this meeting when there are so many other places to choose? It all seems very suspect to me.

@daimbars the meeting was booked, meetings were held with those responsible for booking who then discussed it further at their own meeting. The booking was agreed. The only reason it was withdrawn was due to threats from the TRA side. Threats that led to the FMH holding a meeting with them which Wpuk was excluded from. Not very balanced eh?

@tanith if you look at the screenshot you can see it's a google doc. Wpuk don't have access to the FMH shared google drive. We received it as a pdf which can obviously not be edited.

The quakers were happy to hold the meeting after lengthy discussion on their part

They weren't tricked, they knew exactly what the meeting would be about. They spent a long time considering it, and had several meetings. It's a shame they didn't hold their nerve but the reason they didn't was threats and pressure from TRAs.

NynaeveSedai what was the rationale for choosing a pro LGBT venue in the heart of pro LGBT Brighton?

I imagine a trans Quaker who uses that venue felt uncomfortable with it being used to host a meeting that was hostile towards trans people. Good for them for speaking up I say.

I know the WPUK would absolutely love the publicity of a TRA protest at their venue but I seriously doubt it will happen.

The meeting is not hostile to trans people, trans people have been attended and spoken at similar meetings.

The Quakers are pro equality for all women, LGBT, everyone Daim. Just like WPUK.

The TRA protest has already happened Daim, its why security was needed and the meeting was cancelled.

WPUK are not hostile to trans people are they are pro lesbian, gay and bisexual as well as pro women.

The FMH have a strong commitment to free speech and debate making it an ideal venue. They have hosted controversial and contentious meetings before. Please don't patronise them - they knew what the meeting was. Better than you do it seems.

@daimbars a reminder that Brighton May be 'pro LGBT' but it is also pro discussion of the GRA reforms petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=214118

I know the WPUK would absolutely love the publicity of a TRA protest at their venue but I seriously doubt it will happen

You're either a huge liar or living on another planet. These protests have already happened at other meetings. They are unpleasant, intimidating and expensive (security)
If you think there are none being planned for tomorrow you're in a dream world. And if you think WPUK want our venues intimidated and harassed, our meeting misrepresented in the media and our attendeed intimidated then you're barking.

Daimbars Try and find any hostility towards transitioners in any of these speeches:

www.youtube.com/channel/UCzFqsUqDzyXEQMJVy42NwUw/videos

Quakers have hosted a few of these meetings elsewhere in the country without any problems.

@NynaeveSedai of course women should be consulted. I've made the exact same argument about proposed amendments to the Equality Act.

Supporting consultations is not anti trans and it's disingenuous to suggest it is.

Daimbars Why do you frame anyone who defends the rights and protections for girls and women as being "anti-trans", please?