WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

So why do you frame a meeting to discuss the very things the government is consulting on as anti trans?

Pro-woman meetings, eh? Dangerous things.

It's because a memo went round the TRAs to stop using 'T**F' and say 'ant-trans' instead.

NynaeveSedai

Because you said this:

@daimbars a reminder that Brighton May be 'pro LGBT' but it is also pro discussion of the GRA reforms

Which suggests that being pro discussions of the GRA reforms is somehow in conflict with being pro LGBT. It's not.

It's because a memo went round the TRAs to stop using 'TF' and say 'ant-trans' instead.

Indeed. I don't much care what the latest word for women being in favour of women and their rights is. Call me whatever.

JackyHolyoake in reference to this WPUK particular meeting, my belief is a transgender person who firmly states TWAW would be as welcome as that black DJ at the BNP Christmas party.

Many trans women and allies believe trans women are women born with male anatomy.

A meeting where every participant believes trans women to be male is therefore anti trans. There is no room for attempting to understand the other side or accepting TWAW.

'Where every participant believes trans women are male' is anti trans
Reality is anti trans
Facts are anti trans
Literally no winning with that logic

This is profoundly disappointing. A group of women meeting is suddenly taboo? Women talking? Discussions aren't dangerous. As has been said here, anyone could attend and if they have a sensible point to be made, it will be listened to, clearly. I think a lot of gc feminists would be happy to hear reasoned opinions from the other side - historically they've just been rather unforthcoming.

It's great the Quakers support LGBT rights - good for them. Do they really want to at the expense of women's rights? I don't know Brighton very well but the small amount of time I've spent there has given me the impression there are actually a high number of vulnerable women there - there are lots of drug users, lots of homeless people and masses of creative or hippie types who have experienced a lot of hardship (apologies if that offends anyone but it's just my experience of the city). The Quakers need to be supporting them, too.

I'd encourage you to watch some videos of the previous meetings Daim - there are lots of people at the meetings who are there to understand what's going on, and alternative viewpoints would be fine, albeit not accepted without debate and comment.

They would be in no physical danger though. At these meetings the only people behaving in a threatening manner, the only people who have injured others, or tried to block people attending have been TRA protestors.

Many trans women and allies believe trans women are women born with male anatomy.

See, it’s the male anatomy bit that causes the issues.

Women are oppressed because of the female anatomy they were born with. We need to be able to talk about this using words that mean people born with female anatomy.

JackyHolyoake in reference to this WPUK particular meeting, my belief is a transgender person who firmly states TWAW would be as welcome as that black DJ at the BNP Christmas party

I don't actually believe that's true.

If that transgender person had a rational argument to support that beyond 'being a woman is a feeling' or 'Say I'm a woman or you're killing me/I will kill you,' then I can definitely see them being given something of a platform for a small part of the evening. But that's the whole problem isn't it? There is nothing to the argument that stands up to intelligent scrutiny.

Dawn Furness spoke at the Newcastle meeting and said she believed TWAW.

Has anyone had their email yet regarding tomorrow's venue?

Daimbars
"Many trans women and allies believe trans women are women born with male anatomy. "

Therein lies your problem then.

No female is ever born with male anatomy. [Woman = female adult human.]

Agerbilatemycardigan The email giving the venue details should arrive late in the afternoon tomorrow, for everyone's security and safety.

Fair enough I'll reserve judgment until after the meeting tomorrow. Looking forward to it!

All ticket holders will get emails- check later today

Okay. Thanks guys. Hopefully I'll see some of you there.

A meeting where every participant believes trans women to be male is therefore anti trans. There is no room for attempting to understand the other side or accepting TWAW.

It is not anti trans to have a different belief to some (not even all) trans people.

Daimbars
A meeting where every participant believes trans women to be male is therefore anti trans. There is no room for attempting to understand the other side or accepting TWAW.

Read this, lurkers. You cannot meet to discuss TWAW unless people who believe that TWAW are there to supervise you.

Ticket bought. This will be my 3rd event of this kind, and I'm really looking forward to it.

I see a protest is being organised twitter.com/bunnyrabble/status/1018511861585711105?s=19

Anyone want to try and meet up for a drink beforehand?

Read this, lurkers. You cannot meet to discuss TWAW at the Quakers in central Brighton who are pro equality and pro LGBT unless people who believe that TWAW are there to supervise you. you are deliberately trying to provoke a reaction.

You are, of course, free to use any other venue of your choice.

You are, of course, free to use any other venue of your choice.

Until the cabal hound and attack that venue too. Or are you suggesting that doesn't happen?