Great piece by academic Kathleen Stock (mentions MN)

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medium.com/@kathleenstock/when-bindels-speak-b305625a7521

So so good.

Interesting word "academic".
It usually implies "knowledgeable" -- or, more specifically "knowledgeable about the subject they are talking about"
But Stock's expertise is in French and Philosophy, particularly the philosophy of fiction. Not psychology, endocrinology, neuroscience, medicine, biology, or anything that is actually relevant.

Much the same goes for Professor Greer -- big on academic credentials: but demonstrably low on actual knowledge of the subject.

In the context of what she’s talking about here, she needs to be expert in one thing: being a woman.

Wow, that is an excellent article. Superbly analysed and argued.

So if someone has an opinion or wants to express themselves about a subject they must demonstrably be an expert?

Damnthat... does that mean we should ignore your opinion?

The author only mentions Mumsnet once but it is clear from the context that a lot of her article is drawing on the experience of gender critical feminists on this forum. People are watching.

Yes, they are. Which is why it is important that we should stay. Also why it is important that we should not be distracted by inimical posters and are much better off when we talk to each other.

Fan girling over here too.

applause!

"Not psychology, endocrinology, neuroscience, medicine, biology, or anything that is actually relevant"

Damn, it is brilliant to see you admit so clearly that you will accept the knowledge of those of us qualified and working in those areas, as knowing what they are talking about. :)

Straight to the ad hominem hey Damn?
Way to make the article's point!

Great article.
I miss Germaine. I'm off to the bookstore now possibly will find her there.

But Stock's expertise is in French and Philosophy, particularly the philosophy of fiction. Not psychology, endocrinology, neuroscience, medicine, biology, or anything that is actually relevant.

Well if you want biology I’m here to assist. I do get the feeling that factual science isn’t the strong point of the Vocal activist subset though.

Philosophy of fiction seems rather... well jolly spot on I’d say.
But she’s talking about belief systems and the way they are used to police the ways women’s words are used. Which is relevant to the discussion, this board, the twittersphere (my goodness, such a wanky term I can’t believe I just wrote that...) and social media / public engagement.

As she says, humans can’t change sex and that’s fairly basic biology - kids should be aware of that by GCSE at the very latest. She shouldn’t need to explain that.

If anyone does believe that humans can change sex, that would be fairly world shattering stuff. So I’d say to them, please do share the mechanism behind it.

Excellent article! Thanks for the link 🙂

Great article

That's a great piece. I have to say 'Watch your mouth' actually chilled me to the bone a little. That's exactly how this silencing feels: threatening, masculine, dark.

That's exactly how this silencing feels: threatening, masculine, dark.

Yes. The absolute entitlement of the political demands - highly threatening. I think Kathleen has done so well to write about it in a distinctly womanly, humorous way but without ducking the threatening and hostile environment women find themselves in.

But she’s talking about belief systems and the way they are used to police the ways women’s words are used. Which is relevant to the discussion, this board, the twittersphere (my goodness, such a wanky term I can’t believe I just wrote that...) and social media / public engagement.

Absolutely. And she nails it.

Yy Lang and estrella

Did damnthat just make Stock’s point for her?

Did damnthat just make Stock’s point for her?

Yep, happens every time.

Besmirching, I think Damn may have done exactly that m

Bravo damnthat 😀

Very powerful, I live in a rural northern county and genuinely feel that without mn I would know nothing of what is going on. My bright degree educated dd has no knowledge of this as it is not common knowledge round us. By the time it is widely known as to what is happening it will be too late. I hate that such a minority are changing the rules when they already have human rights and there are far more important matters to campaign about.

All the LOLs!

Great article, especially the last sentence.