Diva magazine is trans inclusive

[daimbars]

Statement on trans inclusion in a tweet from Diva, the UK's biggest lesbian magazine.
I'm pleased they've made their position clear, and support it.

Maybe they should be "inclusive" of me, a straight woman. Oh no, because that would be fucking ridiculous. It's only straight men who want to barge into lesbian space isn't it? Funny how the rest of us respect other people's boundaries.

Ugla Stefania isn't a lesbian though, by any definition of it. Unless of course transwomen are women and transmen are women too. They are a natal male, presenting in a feminine way, in a relationship with a natal female who presents in a masculine way. Why were they being feted by a lesbian magazine in the first place?

I'm pleased too. Solidarity right now is more important than ever.

Love is Love.

The real impact on lesbians:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3146166-Transactivism-and-the-lesbian-community

There was a reason why myself, and many other dykes I knew, stopped buying DIVA many moons ago...........It's been LGBTI and the whole wordsalad bar for a long time. Do keep up daim!

Excellent. I read diva from time to time and glad to see they're inclusive

I'll be buying a bit more regularly now.

Wonder if their sales will plummet?

Anyone who reads Diva really didn't need them to come out (haha) and say this. It's a perfectly obvious editorial stance.
But it's also a fairly Vogueish shinyqueer publication anyway, and apart from a ravishing picture of Heather Peace on the front cover which I have enjoyed glancing at this month, I'm not that bothered what they think.
Having said that, I can imagine many lesbians and bi-women finding it irritating that a publication which purports to be for them is not really wholeheartedly for them at all. I say that as a bi-woman who has married a man and thus sidestepped a lot of the frontline shit that LGB people face.
Go ahead girls, hitch your wagon to the T crowd. I'm sure subs will skyrocket, and plenty of Daims will support you.

So like they are just 2 ppl in a normal relationship but just dressing differently.

Why the heck is this being even written about
Isn’t this just like attention seeking ?

All of the lesbians I know IRL jumped ship from DIVA and Pink News yonks ago. One friend was saying to me recently that lesbianism is becoming a proper sub-culture again. She also said she knows a few who wear wedding-style rings to provide an easy brush-off excuse if approached by someone they don't want to date.

Some gay friends felt that it was starting to go the same way for them as well - that they know of friends in their acquaintance group who are deregging from Grindr and going more underground.

And by more underground, I mean back into saunas - where people are mostly naked and it's easier to decide face to face if you are attracted to someone or not.

Whoops not normal. Sheest meant heterosexual
Foot mouth

Hopes I didn’t offend cos wasn’t what I meant

JuzzaL - On the contrary. I do not condone the use of coercive methods to try and convince trans people 'to be okay with what they were born as'. THAT is trans conversion therapy rather than affirming a person. I will not converse with you on this matter.

As for rape culture? Wow. I would report your comment but I want it to stand testament to the amount of vitriol you spill. I am completely open about being trans to any prospective partner. If they are okay with it then great! If not, that is okay too. How that constitutes rape culture I have no idea. Consent is sexy.

NatLuc, you know full well what rape culture and conversion therapy means in this context. It's not the wide eyed "Of course no one should be forced into sleeping with penis!" part of the excuse, it's the "But if you won't sleep with penis, you should reflect on your choices..." part of the speech. And don't play coy because I've seen Owl and Fox's videos and that is exactly the line they push.

FloralBunting - I am not saying that there are no people that coercively try to bully people in to having sex with them this way, I was simply refuting JuzzaL's claim that I support the culture of it. As for the conversion therapy, I genuinely assumed they were referring to me having transitioned.

JuzzaL - The person I am seeing at the moment. A natal female. See's me as a woman, she is attracted to me for reasons other than what is in my knickers. No one has the right to tell her 'well actually you are not lesbian now'. So I guess for her.. TWAW Including for dating.

I will not report away. I have never reported any post and I don't intend to start now.

So if transwomen are women
And transmen are men.

Doesn't that make transmen straight dudes - who really shouldn't be invading lesbian space. Unless all men are welcome to do this now?

Is Diva 'inclusive' of straight men now or should the transmen find a new publication?

Trying to normalize that female homosexuals are pressured to be sexually available to males cannot be framed in any other way than as rape culture and lesbian conversion therapy. It's inexcusable.

I wondered if JuzzaL would have anything to say. I guess the entire staff and readership of Diva are no longer lesbians now either?

That pool of lesbians is getting smaller by the day.

Feminism means equality of the sexes, it's not about excluding anyone.