Diva magazine is trans inclusive

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Statement on trans inclusion in a tweet from Diva, the UK's biggest lesbian magazine.
I'm pleased they've made their position clear, and support it.

It's like living with a tedious teenager.

And all the shouting of NO is like trying to reason with a room full of toddlers.

What I think is needed is extensive consultation with women. If it turns out the majority of women are not happy to accept trans women as women then we have to go with that majority. Same if the majority accept them. That is fair.

Being consulted is the most important part - women should always have a say and any petitions for more consultations with women I'll happily sign.

I believe (although not certain) that Stonewall only consulted trans people and not women when they put forward their proposals to amend the EA which is disappointing to say the least.

Being consulted is not the most important part. That ends in 'women should always have a say but no real power or autonomy.'

There is no good reason to abolish single sex spaces. There are enough women who want and need them to make them essential.

Go and fight for a third unisex space. Everyone can support that.

The law should be upheld as it is. We all know what ‘consulting women’ means and it’s ‘we will be doing this, get on board.’

My boundaries are not in the gift of a spurious consultation. My 'No' is not up for debate.

Consultations should be fair and transparent. They should reach a wide range of people, not just transactivists, students and informed radical feminists. The questions should be framed accurately, spell out what things mean in plain English not pomo jargon and above all it should be genuine and not a fait accompli.

The law should be upheld as it is.

Which is trans women are legally allowed in female spaces both pre and post getting a GRC

Which is trans women are legally allowed in female spaces both pre and post getting a GRC

No they aren’t, not as a blanket rule.

The law allows for exemptions/exceptions where proportionate and necessary. A space segregated by sex for safety purposes IS proportionate and necessary by its very existence.

Yes Bowl but the Exceptions / Exemptions are all the Equality Act and there is no plans to change the EA.

I 100% agree the EA should be upheld but there isn't any suggestion it won't be.

Then transwomen are in fact NOT allowed in all female spaces regardless of GRC (which no one is allowed to ask for anyway so it makes zero difference whether someone is pre, post having one or just fancies saying they’re female today.)

The EA IS under threat - by bringing in self ID there will be a direct conflict with the EA set up. We have already seen multiple service providers capitulate to lobby group demands to put the exemptions aside

... for example swim England, as highlighted by man Friday.

The government can promise solemnly to not change the EA but if self ID comes in then the conflict is set up.

There are a number of groups directly trying to replace sex with gender in the EA - the single piece of legislation that covers women’s rights in the UK.

Once sex is replaced by gender, ALL those rights are gone under law.

I am baffled as to why this isn’t headline news.

Why isn't it headline news
Lol maybe because this

TRA lobby organisations also seem to understand the conflict caused by self-ID, which IMO is why they have adopted the tactics that they have (changing sex to gender, punishing organisations that use the exemptions)

No is still a complete sentence.
Just saying....

The EA IS under threat - by bringing in self ID there will be a direct conflict with the EA set up. We have already seen multiple service providers capitulate to lobby group demands to put the exemptions aside

Agree.

That’s exactly what I mean oleanna

So many organisations are working as though the EA is changed. It hasn’t. But that hasn’t stopped lobby groups from forcing organisations to act as if it were.

If race or religion was being treated the same way, don’t yoi think there’d be media interest? Why not for sex?

Lol maybe because this

They need to get the protected characteristics right.

If race or religion was being treated the same way, don’t yoi think there’d be media interest? Why not for sex?

Cos patriarchy

Every now and again I think we are making progress, and then I get these little (or not so little) reminders of the structural stuff that ensures women are simply not as important as men