Diva magazine is trans inclusive

[daimbars]

Statement on trans inclusion in a tweet from Diva, the UK's biggest lesbian magazine.
I'm pleased they've made their position clear, and support it.

Yawn, same old...

What exactly do you want? Attention? Agreement? Submission?

You’re not changing anyone’s mind here as to what a lesbian is. We see you.

Example of my typical types of communication on dating apps/sites

Yes but you sound like a decent human being Nat. Not everyone is.

There are tw coercing lesbians into sleeping with them. There is evidence of that all over the internet. Some women are very vulnerable and very easily coerced - particularly if they're scared of being labelled bigots. Do you acknowledge that even happens?

Someone was on here in the last few months saying their friend was a transman, had had bottom surgery and was sleeping with women, some of whom didn't know this person was trans.

I consider that rape. It's not consensual. I don't think there are many times a trans person would pass so well that it could happen but still.

Good for them. I'm all for freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Of course these are dire times for print publishing and if they think they have a niche market, that's their right to decide. They can risk all the women/ lesbians losing interest and going elsewhere. I'm a bit bored with Daim et al coming here to patronise me though.

Pretty sure the one thing that lesbians 'do' are vaginas...those good old fashioned becunty ones. It is literally their one USP.

gendercritter Thank you for saying so, though I feel like I am the spawn of Satan half the time..

As per my previous message I do acknowledge that bullying and coersion and using 'you're a bigot' as a weapon to achieve sex is wrong.

As for the question about the trans man.. I don't know.. I mean I think I am pretty lucky with my appearance but I am not naive enough to think people can't tell all the time and if they can't it is usually my voice my gives me away.. But I mean.. I guess if this transman has had bottom surgery and passes perfectly, well.. If it is just got a sexual hookup from a night out then I do not see the problem.

BUT personally.. I would probably choose to sit them at the bar or try to go somewhere quiet (but not completely alone) and tell them.. but that is me..

If we are talking about a relationship or where there is sufficient opportunity to bring it up then it should be.. But at the same time I can empathise with not wanting to because it is something that I shamefully hid for so long and it took me a long time to divulge it.

I am proud but at the same time its deeply personal thing to tell someone who has no investment in you in return.

How is it not goady to post this in the feminist topic?

Pencils said this earlier on a different thread. I hope she doesn't mind me quoting her?

Mumsnet now feels inherently hostile to gender critical feminists. I don't think it feels inherently hostile to trolls. They appear to be having a good time.

How is daimbars op related to feminism? GC feminists post things about trans issues here because of the threat they perceive to women's rights. But TRAs post pro-TRA stuff here...? Why?

The only possible answer is to goad us.

Is that ok now?

"If it is just got a sexual hookup from a night out then I do not see the problem. "
This is the sort of attitude I find very worrying! It has to be informed consent, and someones actual, biological, objectively verifiable sex, as opposed to what sex they appeared to be...........
Heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual, consent isn't consent unless freely given and informed. And this can and should get very specific, if someone is only consenting based on particular acts (using a condom, an actual penis as opposed to a strap on -- these are all cases that have been tested in court). And whatever the courts may say as regards phalloplasty on a female, I would view it as similarly needing someone to be fully informed before the consent can be meaningful. Because if someone might say no if they knew, they they are not fully consenting, and if someone doesn't mind, what do you gain by not making things clear? The only gain here I can see is sex with someone who would not have consented if they knew, and there is a name for that kind of thing............

Interesting about Grindr Now MEN are being told what they must do sexually i reckon the tide will turn again on this.

I had a flick through Diva a while ago in WH Smith Was thinking of getting my niece a subscription but i wanted something that would be just for lesbians and bi women of which she is the former.

Someone was on here in the last few months saying their friend was a transman, had had bottom surgery and was sleeping with women, some of whom didn't know this person was trans.

That is a criminal offence. There's an obligation to reveal.

There are multiple threads on Reddit and other open fora where gay men are complaining about Grindr no longer being focused on gay men and that - to put it bluntly - they are looking for sex with a penis, not a vagina.

Not just that. The gay men I've spoken to about it say it's now overrun with "straight" men looking for a trans "girlfriend" not another gay man. And the said trans "girlfriends".

Who they have no sexual interest in.

Trans 'lesbians' using Lesbian dating sites reek of narcissism and entitlement.

It is my understanding the heterosexual males call themselves transbians, or maybe it is the Lesbians that call the heterosexual males that.
So many women's businesses are afraid of the transgenders with their baseball bats, bomb threats, and political clout.

I don't understand Erishkigal and I fear there is no way to explain with Newspeak

There are straight men going onto grindr looking for natal women who are now identifying as men?

If something may be relevant to whether or not someone is willing to have sex with you then you should tell them before they have sex with you. If you choose to instead withhold that information then you are being a terrible person. If you wouldn't do so yourself but think it's OK for others to do so? Your moral compass is broken.

If something may be relevant to whether or not someone is willing to have sex with you then you should tell them before they have sex with you. If you choose to instead withhold that information then you are being a terrible person. If you wouldn't do so yourself but think it's OK for others to do so? Your moral compass is broken.

We agree on something!

catfight

I find it bizarre that you assume trans women are trying to live out a straight male fantasy.

You are the one who posted a thread about heterosexual male's lesbian fantasy being included in Diva Magazine, daimbars.

Had to happen eventually! Now, those not agreeing, stop and think how incredibly fucking basic and obvious something has to be for people who so far have never agreed on anything to be in complete agreement on this.

Don't withhold information that if given would make a person change their mind about whether or not they want to go to bed with you. It's a shitty thing to do.

Some fucking spaghetti hoops being twisted here over sexual orientation. A lesbian is a human female.