please don't vanish - we are all crucial to the future for women and girls

[loveyouradvice]

This is just a plea for that really....

I do understand how upset so many people are about Mumsnet's recent policies and the confusion and hurt they have caused - yes I have sobbed tears late into the night too

But please stay! I am sad so many are fleeing - and hope that some will maintain their sanity by not being on here every day, but coming on when feeling strong enough.

More than anything I think it is important that many of us are here now, with the government consultation launching on 7 July - speaking out on this board and AIBU and chat - so that people understand the conflict between women/girls right and trans rights as currently proposed - so that people understand what we may be about to lose before we do - and recognise that this isn't transphobia, but actually talking about the challenges and doing that much-quoted but seldom done "equality impact assessment" for everyone affected

It is fine and fair to ask about what will happen to women and girls - and to want transpeople to have strong rights

As is that top tip above

This is very true Rufus - and humour is powerful

We shall do this.

Omg nochat up line reindeer lols

You know what I mind more than being told what to say? I mind the fact that others, new to this board, neither feminists nor women, are allowed to say what they like to the rest of us.

They are allowed to register, and within minutes start lecturing us. Telling us what to think and what to say. Telling us lies, and calling us names for questioning those lies. They are allowed to report us, to bully us, to belittle us. To make jokes about and minimise problems that individuals have (for example infertility, domestic abuse, birth injury and much more).

They are being positively encouraged to come, to register, to be nasty to everyone. And eventually when they finally cross the pretty much invisible line in the sand in the far distance that is MN's new position of goaders/abusers/MRAs/fantasists they are asked to leave, at which point they re-register.

We know they are PBPs but yet they are given the chance to start again, to continue with their abuse and their gas-lighting and their lies.

Meanwhile those of us who have been here for a long time are disregarded, dismissed and patronised.

It's the unfairness that gets to me, even more than the newspeak and the lies and the attempts to control our thoughts.

Rufus is a gentle little soul who doesn't ever want to hurt anyone.

Yes, i dont want to hurt or upset people

But when i decide ive had enough im going to trot round the boards telling everyone what i really think of them...its going to be epic

Im really looking forward to it

Oops, sorry, I x-posted with everyone because I am both cross and a slow typist.

As you were

littlbrowndog

I was just imagining the 'u educate me' with a sort of winky leer

Maryzsnewaccount That was an epic post and I 100% agree.

Naw Maryz
All of us have seen the junk they trot out
And we see the stuff u lot say.
Much more powerful the stuff u lot say
So keep saying it.

👆

I agree with spontaneous

Spot on post maryz

With you in that Maryz!

Exactly that. We're viewed like sitting, polite ducks, by these visitors.

But we're ducks with fire in our arses!

It's incredibly unfair, frustrating, and we can see what they're doing.

But we're not sitting ducks.

And every time they come on to lecture, another arse-fire duck is created.

(I'm not sure my analogy with ducks and arses and fire is going well right now, but hopefully you know what I mean!)

Maryz - someone (I can't remember who now - sorry) has suggested that MN employees, volunteers etc should all be signed up for the online Freedom Programme in order to be able to understand more what's going on here and the effects it's having on the longstanding MN community. I completely agree with this idea and, for £12.00 per person, it will make their modding duties so much easier.

I believe we're worth it.

But we're ducks with fire in our arses!

What the hell

I dont want a firey arse

No one wants a fiery arse tbf

Sorry Rufus...maybe in our toes instead?

(Oh no!)

Erm, just fucking arsey ducks, rather than sitting ducks?!

That burning ring of fire song is in my head now!!

I'm not entirely sure that fire-farting-ducks are appropriate, but anyhow ...

Yep

An arsey duck thats me

I said it was late and I was tired.

No idea where ducks with fire in their arses came from!

Can anyone help me out?! Surely there's a warrior cry about fire in our arses?

No?

Oh well, slopes off to find a better analogy.

On the positive side...still here with all of you, and thanking those of you who had to leave, whether or not you had a duck-arse on fire or not!

Oh Cripes maryz. That’s a burning arse

maryz

Your googling skills are outstanding

Yes Betty, exactly.

My so-called "d"h has turned into a dick recently. It's quite a surprise, but thanks to reading threads on here I know that (a) he's a dick and (b) it's not my fault.

I might post about it some day. Or not. But just being here, and realising that women are not stupid, helps a lot.

pom

Isn't it usually....

Fire in our loins

Came for the incisive commentary....stayed for the fiery arse ducks

Fire in our bellies!

That's it.

Fire in our bellies!

We're not sitting ducks, we're ducks with fire in our bellies!

(Apologies to those ducks with fire in their arses who are now feeling judged. You're not who I meant, but I'm sure you're just as valid in your identity as ducks with alternative fires!)