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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Male who IDs as female calls police after being denied entry to female toilets

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Lifesavingorange · 23/06/2018 20:08

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Reading the fawning responses you’d think this person had been assaulted or worse.

And not a thought for the women in the toilets who might have felt uncomfortable. There never is.

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Lifesavingorange · 23/06/2018 20:08

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SoddingUnicorns · 23/06/2018 20:12

Ugh. I have no words. Well none that wouldn’t get me instantly banned anyway. Fucking ridiculous.

SeahorsesAREhorses · 23/06/2018 20:13

Didn't this person have an incident in a taxi too?

massivelyouting · 23/06/2018 20:16

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MacaroonMama · 23/06/2018 20:16

But the bouncer did sound very unpleasant. ‘We know your kind...’ or something. I don’t know the law where they are but in the UK, the toilets stuff is convention rather than law, isn’t it?

FWIW I am totally against self ID, have written to/seen my MP etc but this did sound unnecessary. If no women had complained, if the person just needed a wee - I think the bouncer actually was (that hugely overused term!) transphobic, and getting his kicks out of policing the bathrooms.

Lifesavingorange · 23/06/2018 20:18

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MacaroonMama · 23/06/2018 20:18

And yes for fighting for additional (not replacement) third spaces for loos/changing facilities for those who would prefer them.

SoddingUnicorns · 23/06/2018 20:18

I’m not inclined to believe her story verbatim to be honest. I’d be very wary of labelling the bouncer.

SoddingUnicorns · 23/06/2018 20:19

And yes for fighting for additional (not replacement) third spaces for loos/changing facilities for those who would prefer them

I’d be happier with this tbh. As long as it wasn’t disabled facilities that took the hit.

Lifesavingorange · 23/06/2018 20:20

I’m not convinced this played out exactly as Charlotte says it did tbh.

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HerFemaleness · 23/06/2018 20:20

Was refused entry to a toilet.

Phoned the police because of being refused entry to a toilet

Two police cars turned up to attend to somebody who was refused entry to a toilet

The business in question is now facing investigation from the licensing authority, and the office of human rights.

I wish I was as oppressed as a transwoman.

loveyouradvice · 23/06/2018 20:20

Oh hell... and reading down it is clearly the law in DC that they ARE allowed in female toilets....

I do feel we are going to need to produce proof of WHY women and children want to have sex-segregated toilets...and WHAT PERCENTAGE DO

Lifesavingorange · 23/06/2018 20:21

It’s the bending over backwards to appease these appalling narcissists that sticks in your craw.

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Lifesavingorange · 23/06/2018 20:22

And you can bet that Cuba Libre will be inundated with harassment from TRA bullies now till they issue a grovelling apology. And even that will not be enough.

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wouldyoujudgeme · 23/06/2018 20:23

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SoddingUnicorns · 23/06/2018 20:24

I am absolutely not saying that calling the cops didn't escalate the incident, but she had had her rights denied her, as far as I can see from what she reports, and she had been physically pushed out of the club by the bouncer. I can see how I might call the police in that kind of situation

And from reading that thread she is loving every minute of it. “Rights” is something we hear a lot about. It’s funny how it’s women's rights that have had to give way to allow others to demand theirs isn’t it?

massivelyouting · 23/06/2018 20:25

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rainingcatsanddog · 23/06/2018 20:25

The police officers must have very little work there.

Meanwhile in the UK, my son was mugged last night and was basically told that there was nothing that the police could do about it.

massivelyouting · 23/06/2018 20:26

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SoddingUnicorns · 23/06/2018 20:26

@rainingcatsanddog that’s awful. How is your son today? (No pressure to answer if it’s too personal)

pombear · 23/06/2018 20:28

Over here, it's starting to feel difficult to find the right toilet as a female.

On a uni open day visit today, I popped to the loo in a quiet corridor. On the door to the toilets was both a male and female sign and something that said along the lines of 'accessible for all genders toilets'.

I pushed the door open, and in front of me were two doors. One with a very definite male sign on it (I could see multiple stalls through the window, not sure if there were urinals too).

On the right was a door with a disabled sign on it.

I stood there a bit perplexed. Even though I've been taking part in these gender critical conversations for a while now, I realised my social conditioning was striking - where the fuck do I go, as an able-bodied female?

As well as being socially conditioned as a female, I also know it's bad form to take up the disabled toilet in case someone is disabled and needs it urgently.

Outside door 'all genders'.

Inside doors, only option either to go into males or use the disabled one (which helpfully had a shower in it too, making me feel even more guilty for using it in case someone it was designed for needed it).

I had no choice - so used the single facility disabled toilet.

Everyone is budging up except males!

Was writ large for me today. This gender/sex debate should definitely NOT be focused just on toilets, but today I fully experienced my 'erasure'! (And the fact that I was pushing into someone else's hard-fought-for space, unwillingly, but I needed a wee!)

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Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 23/06/2018 20:29

Two police cars; and they won’t attend some break ins / muggings. Their special snowflake behaviour is actually quite justified, isn’t it?
They’re treated like fucking royalty, for some unfathomable reason Confused

pombear · 23/06/2018 20:29

Raining apologies if my post looks too 'light-hearted' in the light of your latest one. I posted before reading.

sanluca · 23/06/2018 20:30

I don't get it. Why didn't she show her id, as that would then have said female and all problems solved?

Or is it because her id says male? Then what are clubs supposed to do, let anyone in everywhere on their say so? How do you recognize a transwoman from a p*sstaker in a dress? Now I am sure she is genuine as she obviously loved the idea of being on a bachelorette party, very stereotypical girly thing, but this is where it all breaks down for me.

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